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Delshad Inactive Member |
Hi John
I have seen many replies from you where you have stated your problems with religion, and you said how you have spend about 20 years of your life trying to decide your stand with Christianity and that it has occasionaly teared you apart.You have even read the Bible 5 times, admirable! I felt sad for you and I hope you won`t get offended by a youngster giving you advice .. ? Firstly, the connection between and man and his religion, is very personal.Usually, the more you see a man acting as a religious cliche`, the more he is unreligious. Just live your life, thats all, and weather you will believe in God or not, time will tell, its up to you. I could say this though, if its any comfort. Our God ,Allah, God, Jehova, are all understood to be Beneficient, Merciful.Its a shared believe wich the Abrahamitic religions are very decisive about. So just do your best to take care of yourself, your family and friends (its a philosophy which holds true in any occasion). For instance, in this very moment you read this topic, how many things could you have done for the benefit of yourself, or someone else? Ask yourself that.. No excuses, nothing. You see, religion isn`t about reading books, pray, visiting churches,mosques, etc. Knowledge can be compared to an ocean wich never quenshes your thirst, but if you drink from the fresh water a few cups and then continue your journey, then atleast you are heading somewhere.Similarly, a man who has cleared all his doubts in his mind by merely reading and praying isn`t even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as the man , who lives in doubt yet provides for himself and his family and kins. If you do that, then you have nothing to fear, because God is Beneficient , Merciful,and he , no matter if you believe in him or not, is Oft-forgiving, to the man who has lived had a just life. Sincerely Delshad [This message has been edited by Delshad, 12-14-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Yeah, people never believe that. Actually, five times I am sure of....
quote: My take is that religion is a code of conduct based upon a particular philosophical/theological system. The theology enforces the rules of conduct. Thus, when the people fail to follow the rules, the theology is shown to be lacking.
quote: And very self-contradictory in that regard as well.
quote: That is an impossible question to answer. But all I do is investigate stuff.
quote: Kinda how I see it really. ------------------
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I've noticed, John, that you are very popular. People want to talk to YOU especially. What is the secret of your social success?
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John Inactive Member |
quote: It all started with this email advertising a perfume with pheromones in it....... Really, I don't know. I guess I'm not qualified to answer that question. I'd think I'd be a pretty grating personality but I guess something works. ------------------
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: *gasp* grating? heheh... hey john, we've all grated at one time or another... ummmmm... what email?
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Its spam I get about six times a week. I'm not sure where they got my name. Gimme your email address and I'll make sure they get it though. I'd hate for you to miss out. ------------------
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: LOL... no thx, one woman in my life is complicated enough...
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Delshad Inactive Member |
I see this is going nowhere.
Admin, you may delete the Topic.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: You aren't being much of a sport really. I replied to your post. You have been silent since. Where do you want the topic to go? ------------------
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Delshad Inactive Member |
I just felt sad for you and wanted to give you some advice.
But judging from the nature of your reply and the way the topic is heading, I thought that my effort was in vain and that I had misread you somehow. So I lost interest, no offense though.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: My first comment was friendly but pretty neutral. My next comment was an attempt to elaborate on the way I view religion and its role in society. My third comment is a valid, or at least reasonable, refutation of your claim that God is merciful. Only the faithful think the OT blood bath demonstrates mercy. And my final two comments are in agreement with you. What precisely is wrong with the nature of my reply? Is it that I didn't take what your advise without reflecting upon it? ------------------
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Delshad Inactive Member |
Hi friend, ill try to give you my opinions here:
Delshad: Usually, the more you see a man acting as a religious cliche`, the more he is unreligious.
quote: Delshad:Yes, it is a set of conduct based open a theological system. However, what I meant was that for example: If you see a man shouting religious words or talking to you in a very synthetic manner, then he is perhaps merely seeking attention. You know, he wishes to distinguish himself amongst other people just because he has a certain belief, acting superior you might call it. That is the type of cliche`I was talking about. That is highly unnecessary and religious conduct has to a certain degree change as time progresses in the parts where no theological significance lays. Delshad:Our God, in Islam ,Allah, God, Jehova, are all understood to be Beneficient, Merciful.Its a shared believe wich the Abrahamitic religions are very decisive about. John: quote: Delshad: Well as a moslem I dont really understand your reply here...Ill tell you this , in every one of the over 100 suras("chapters") within our Holy book the Quran, each sura begins with the sentence: In the Name of Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful. And our God (Allah) is the same God as in the rest of the Abrahamitic religions. I believe the OT means the Original Testamente, im not sure. But I have noticed this, every time a christian talks to you about the Bible you say that the Bible contains barbary and rapes etc etc. You have even sais that the chistians are devil-worshippers. That is a very rude comment. Think about it, even Jesus said, turn the other cheek, he was agaisnt opression, he believed in the brotherhood of man and he taught love and morals giving many civilisations peace and prosperity. How can you possibly say that this man was the proclaimer of butchery,rape and racism etc!? Have you thought about the possibility that some parts of the Bible are later scriptures, written by men who wished to take advantge of the believers for own profits. That would make alot of sense since 90 % of the bible contradicts to the very essence those evil parts that you so gladly and frequently point out. . Dilshad: Judging from the nature of your reply and the way the topic is heading, I thought that my effort was in vain and that I had misread you somehow. quote: This is precisely the kind of comments that makes you grating .Please get rid of your belief that every theists dont reflect and think. Its very insulting and leads to nowhere. Take Care John
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Ok. But this doesn't address the objection I raised. In fact it plays right into it. A religion that does not produce the behaviors it claims is a failed religion.
quote: I have not read the Quran in its entirety. I have it here though, and read bits now and then. The Quran, as does the New Testament (NT), portrays a very different God than that of the Old Testament (OT), the ancient Isrealite scripture, parts of which are accepted as scripture by Islam. The God of the OT is vicious, and vengeful, the author of both good and evil. I understand that moslems believe the OT has been corrupted, hence the need for the Quran. So Islam has a way, perhaps, out of this mess. Christians, however, stubbornly insist that both Gods are the same God and that both portrayals are accurate.
quote: Well, it does.
quote: When? Where?
quote: I haven't. The OT is full of such things however.
quote: Yes. Indeed I have. I'd say about 99% fits the bill.
quote: You must have gotten your numbers backwards. 10%, maybe, contradicts the nasty bits.
quote: Sorry? You tell me that the nature of my reply was somehow lacking. I summarize that reply and ask what you found problematic, and you respond by telling me that this is grating? Please. That is a very thin skin.
quote: Please tell what I have said to you in this very short thread that leads you to this conclusion. As far as I can tell it came out of nowhere. ------------------
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Delshad Inactive Member |
Hi John, I guess I owe you some apologies.
I was in a hurry when I made made the replies. Im sorry. DilshadYou have even said that the chistians are devil-worshippers. quote: I have either mixed you up with someone else or perhaps you had just stated that sarcastically.Either way, I had no intention if discrediting you and I apologize. Dilshad:Please get rid of your belief that every theists dont reflect and think. Its very insulting and leads to nowhere. John:quote: Well I got it from, ".....Is it that I didn`t reflect upon the advice.This seem to imply that my advice hadn`t been reflected upon. But I could be wrong however and have misunderstood you entirely. Im embarresed , once again,I apologize. Have a good week John, and Take care!
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
Delshad,
I see you have made reference to the teachings of Jesus Christ in this thread. Please forgive my ignorance of your faith, however I am led to believe that you deny the "Godhood" of Jesus. I am wondering how you do this considering Jesus claims openly to be the son of God. When he teaches the forgiveness of sin? Maybe this deserves a whole new thread. I hope I have not offended or misrepresented you here. As far as I know we worship the same God, Jehovah. ------------------Saved by an incredible Grace. [This message has been edited by funkmasterfreaky, 12-16-2002]
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