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Carico Inactive Member |
That link completely overlooked the fact that no species can produce offspring of another species with whom it cannot breed. And since humans and animals cannot interbreed, then a human cannot be the descendant of an ape. So it's absolutely pointless to talk about genetic potentiality when the premise is impossible to begin with!
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 476 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
Dude, learn the theory first before you criticize it.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
That link completely overlooked the fact that no species can produce offspring of another species with whom it cannot breed. And since humans and animals cannot interbreed, then a human cannot be the descendant of an ape. You've been shown in several different threads why this is not the case. Are you ever going to reply to those responses? Or are you just here to spam the forum? I guess I'd like to know in advance how much time I should waste on you. Are you going to respond to well-reasoned argumentation in kind, or simply call everyone who disagrees with you a liar?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Carico writes: since humans and animals cannot interbreed, then a human cannot be the descendant of an ape. That doesn't follow at all. You're thinking backwards. If two animals can breed and produce offspring, those offspring will be different from their parents. And after many generations, the differences accumulate. Distant cousins may no longer be able to interbreed - i.e. they become different species. Of course the process is not reversible - nobody ever said it was. But that doesn't make the forward process impossible. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Carico Inactive Member |
So how did we "evolve" from an ape if we are not its descendants? And how can we be its descendants if it cannot produce human descendants? Last I heard, mating between parents is what produces descendants. So which 2 beasts mated to produce a creature that turned into a human being and how was that possible? I know that evolutionists call this creature a "common ancestor". So if it's common to humans and animals, it must be half-man, half beast. Is that correct? Or was it half-bird, half beast? Or does no one know since it's still missing? Too many unanswered questions and contradictions for evolution to be considered plausible.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I fear that the "From chimp to man" phrase in the topic title is deceptive in regards to the topics intended theme. That phrase should have been fixed before the "Proposed New Topics" version was promoted, but I guess we're now stuck with it (or are we?).
TheLiteralist, in message 1 writes: Now, chimps and humans are extant species and I realize no evolutionist is actually proposing that chimps evolved into humans (but the official proposal is that chimps and humans have a common ancestor). Maybe all should go back to and review message 1's content. Adminnemooseus This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 12-07-2005 02:24 PM
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Carico Inactive Member |
Exactly. The key phrase in your post was "if animals can breed and produce offspring..." And animals and humans cannot mate and produce offspring together so we cannot possibly be the descendants of apes!
This message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 02:32 PM
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Carico writes: So how did we "evolve" from an ape if we are not its descendants? We did not evolve from apes. Apes are our cousins, not our grandparents. Our grandparents produced our parents and the apes' parents. Every generation is different. (Do your children look exactly like you?) Then the apes' parents produced the apes and our parents produced us. The apes are different from their parents and even more different from their grandparents. Similarly, we are different from our parents and even more different from our grandparents. (Of course there are more than three generations in the real "family tree" - but can you really not understand how the apes can be our distant cousins?) As it happens, we can not interbreed with our distant cousins, the apes. That doesn't mean that we don't have the same ancestors. It only means that there have been a lot of changes over the generations and that the apes have changed in different ways than we have. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Carico Inactive Member |
I understand how evolutionists explain the theory of evolution because I bought into it for over 30 years. But when I really started thinking about it, it doesn't make sense at all. Humans breed humans and apes breed apes. And it has been that way since the beginning of time. Each species is unique and has its own unique set of genes. No species can be intermingled with another species unless the 2 can breed offspring together. That is a no-brainer and an elementary principle of biology that evolutionists haven't learned yet. Once they do, they will see not only how impossible their theory is, but how perverse in its insinuation that animals and humans can be intermingled.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Carico writes: The key phrase in your post was "if animals can breed and produce offspring..." Yes, I said that if animals can mate and produce offspring.... I didn't say anything about different species mating together. That has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. The Theory of Evolution is about offspring being different from their parents and about the differences accumulating over many generations. Eventually, different lines of descent become unable to interbreed. You are still thinking backwards when you insist that the reverse process is impossible. Think about the forward process. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
. And it has been that way since the beginning of time. I don't understand what makes you think it's been that way since the beginning of time. Let me ask you a question. Can you concieve of a situation where two populations that have the ability to interbreed could lose that ability over time?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Carico writes: I understand how evolutionists explain the theory of evolution.... No you don't, as all of your posts demonstrate. The Theory of evolution is not about different species mating together to produce a new species.
Each species is unique and has its own unique set of genes. And each set of genes changes with every generation.
No species can be intermingled with another species unless the 2 can breed offspring together. And that is not what the Theory of Evolution says. That is the first thing you need to learn in Evolution Kindergarten. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Gary Inactive Member |
I used to think that was how it worked as well, until I read more about it. Think about the definition of the word "species". It is vaguely defined. The reason it is vague is that sometimes closely related animals can interbreed, and sometimes they can't, and so it is hard to draw the line between two species. The theory of evolution does not require a huge jump from one species to another. Rather, it implies small changes in each generation. These small changes are not usually enough to prevent reproduction.
After enough time however, these changes build up, and reproduction becomes impossible, or flawed. This is why horses and donkeys produce sterile mules as their offspring. If they were more closely related, the mule would be able to breed with horses or donkeys. If they were less closely related, no mules would be born at all. Given a few thousand more years, maybe donkeys and horses will no longer be able to interbreed and make any mules at all. This is because too many changes (mutations) have built up.
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Carico Inactive Member |
Man invented time, my friend. It's definitely been true since there have been witnesses. There's about as much proof for evolution as there is that aliens came millions of years ago and deposited human beings and millions of years from now they'll come back and prove it. Only that theory doesn't contradict the reproductive process like evolution does! The theory of evolution simply contradicts the way species mate and produce offspring. And that is why it's not simple but elaborate. But the truth is always simple and lies are always convoluted.
This message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 03:14 PM This message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 03:14 PM
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
And animals and humans cannot mate and produce offspring together
And you know this how, exactly? Human sperm have been shown to be able to penetrate the ovum of a gibbon - a primate, but far removed from humans/chimps. Now "penetrate" isn't "fertilize," but I'm not sure you can catagorically say that humans and chimps aren't interfertile. And no, I'm not advocating experiments to test it out - not beyond the second cell division, anyway. Lions and tigers are interfertile to at least some degree, and I'll bet a shiny nickel that those two differ more genetically than man and chimp.
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