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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Much of the Torah was in fact translated and modifed from the ugartic texts, which are far older. i'm going to go out on a limb here, and tentatively say that i disagree. i see some sharing of tradition (not sure who got what from whom, although there is a lot of stuff that seems to be the root of judaism in ugaritic religion). but i think that saying the torah stems somewhat directly from the ugarits might be a bit extreme. the languages share a lot of interesting cognates, and it's used very similarly, yes. what information do you have about the similarities of texts, and their respective ages? This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 12-06-2005 09:45 PM
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Theus Inactive Member |
A distinction should probably be drawn between correlation and causation concerning ancient religious scriptures. The Torah and Ugartic works may stem from similar cultures in a similar environmental condition and be otherwise unrelated. One doesn't have to "cause" the other, but a working relationship can still be established.
Could statistical analysis of reoccuring idioms or sentence structure be used to test such a hypothesis? Vale,Theus P.S. Anyone know where to pick up copies of the Ugartic texts? They're few and far between in Wyoming. Veri Omni Veritas
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
A distinction should probably be drawn between correlation and causation concerning ancient religious scriptures. The Torah and Ugartic works may stem from similar cultures in a similar environmental condition and be otherwise unrelated. or even have both come from another source.
Could statistical analysis of reoccuring idioms or sentence structure be used to test such a hypothesis? probably not. from what i hear, the languages are so full of cognates and similarities in structure (parallelism, for example) that it really wouldn't matter.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6259 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
ramos writes:
I'm sorry, but with all due respect to Friedman, that is somewhat simplistic. Current critical scholarship runs the gamut from dispensing with JEDP to extending it to incorporate such speculative entities as Dtr(1), Dtr(2), Dtr(3), etc. See, for example, Interinal evidence for Genesis shows there were 4 different authors.
ramos writes:
Nonsense. You may wish to read
Much of the Torah was in fact translated and modifed from the ugartic texts, which are far older.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6259 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Herepton writes:
A fundy is the bad element in any given good (religion); like Darwinists, who are the bad element/Fundies of Science.Herepton writes:
It brings to mind the movie "Dumb and Dumber".
Second, yes we know Moses wrote major portions of the Torah, however.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
From http://www.phoenicia.org/ugarbibl.html
I probably overstated. Many of the psalms were rewritten, and many of the various names in for god in the torah are different gods in the ugartic pantheon. As for an example that understanding the ugarartic equivilant help understand somehting in the torah
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6259 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
ramos writes:
You certainly overstated ... and, and we'll see, you continue to do so.
I probably overstated. ramos writes:
That one can find traces of West Semitic mythology in early Biblical writings is an underwhelming fact. But to assert that "many of the [Ugaritic] psalms were rewritten [as Hebrew psalms]" demonstrates a significant misinterpretation of the evidence. So, for example ...
Many of the psalms were rewritten, and many of the various names in for god in the torah are different gods in the ugartic pantheon. ramos writes:
It should come as no surprise to anyone that studying West Semitic languages and writings should provide insights into the paleo-Hebrew language and writings of the nascent Israelites. But you seem to be reading something much more into the quote. As for an example that understanding the ugarartic equivilant help understand somehting in the torah
quote: ramoss, it's frequently easy to find one or more websites laced with inane rhetorical questions (e.g., "Were Parts of the Old Testament (the Torah) Plagiarized from Ugaritic Literature?") supporting any fringe position one can imagine. You might wish to become somewhat more critical of your sources. This message has been edited by ConsequentAtheist, 12-08-2005 09:18 AM
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
well actually. there is nothing wrong with citing yourself if your statements were published in a peer reviewed journal. however, i'm sure this 'ancient american magazine' or whatever is not one of those. namely by the use of the word magazine. which also is a holder for bullets. a crude, coward's instrument of destruction. destruction often brings confusion and we're back at bab'el.
haha i play word games too. i'm worldwide bitch, act like ya'll don't know.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
dear like journal,
i was ssooooooooooooooooooo drunk last night roflchopper. i was apparently rolling arond naked. my kids saw me. h0w em-bare-assing. haha get it? anyways. now i gotta make nice with the wife. maybe i'll get some fruit from the orchard and sweet talk her. poppa be gettin the lovin tonight. gotta run. gotta dry out the field lol. noah
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
So, the Egyptians were monotheists were they?
some of them were. but then they all got killed or something.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
or even have both come from another source.
some mythical common ancestor maybe?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
um. actually modern times refers to 1450 (well 1500) to current. why? think about it.
“garden of jeweled trees,”i can't believe you missed that. garden of jewelled trees. kinda like the tree of knowledge and the tree of life? shit no. how dumb is this guy that he doesn't see that? a story can talk about times and places long ago and in galaxies far far away, but that doesn't mean that's when and where it was written.NOOO!! princess laia was totally real and you're just a hater. They fail to see the parabolic textual meaningi think he means parable. also, the ark in genesis was 300x50x30 cubits. the one in gilgamesh was 120 cubits, cubed. (because it was a cube...) OMGZ gilgamesh are borg. i knew star trek was real.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i think it's probably far more accurate to seem them as part of the same group of semitic religions. correlation is not causality.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
namely by the use of the word magazine. which also is a holder for bullets. and from arabic.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
some mythical common ancestor maybe? yes. did you forget how to quote, dear?
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