who cain married

Mistranslation? Genesis 4:16 refers back to 4:12,14 - it's fiction.

On what grounds?

it doesn't say that god gave them different languages, merely that he confused their tongues. oh sure it says he scattered them. away from the project maybe. but it is clear enough that 'the face of the earth' in the old testament maybe stretches as far away as india to spain. maybe. the whole world surrounds the mediteranean. hence it's name.it is a story about a building and the 'stupid' babylonians who built it. it's a pun and a satire.

another possibility is that genesis 1 is concerned with all mankind, and genesis 2 and 3 are concerned with the first hebrews ancestors (king and queen?) who were created specially, separate from mankind. they may have even been created sometime after genesis 1's sixth day, years down the line. genesis 1 is one of the few over-arching passages of genesis, the rest seems to be concerned with just the hebrew people, except for the few famous stories, like babel.

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so it's possible that "the fall" just lowered adam to the level of the rest of mankind, and removed him from god's favor, which returned with abraham.hmm
i like this idea. i shall ponder it a while.
(this would naturally make the whole thing false, but it would explain the jewish superiority complex...
"we've evolved" you bitch.

Rollin wit it. So what do YOU think, stud?
Yo, you be startin this topic...so don't be dissin on us now! What do you think happened? Do you care, really? Do you like going to church or are you just a bored person who wanted to conversate
with the bunch of us?I like chatting and communicating! I can lay it on thick or I can hit it up casual.The whole idea here is to express yourself! Hit me up and give me a clue as to where you wanna take this topic.

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Priceless

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I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

serious-like.

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i'm worldwide bitch, act like ya'll don't know.

well, yes. i didn't mean to argue against the obvious. genesis is a collection of such stories, about how things came to be.my point was just that it does appear to be set in a legitimate historical context, around an event that did seem to happen, and did at one point probably server a real political goal. aside from that, babylon *is* the cradle of civilization, most languages in the area are derived (a few steps removed) from language originally spoken in babylon. what's your basic problem with the story? that god did something in it?i mean, of course it's overly religious explanation, and unlikely in the details. one event has no real reason to connect to the other trend, but it's the bible, what did you expect from it? i just think it's a little presumptuous to write it off as merely fiction.the analogy i used before was the movie "titanic." the characters might not have really existed (which we can verify by passenger records), and the love story and whatnot may have been a complete fiction -- but there really was a shipped called the rms titanic, and it really did hit an iceberg and sink. it's a fiction, set in a historical context. genesis is the same. it simply uses this historical event and the myths of other cultures, and appropriates them for its own use.

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why would it make it false? how is that any different from any other reading of genesis? any way you cut it, it's a collection of jewish myth and tradition.but like i said, it doesn't totally work out -- the stories clearly come from different sources, which is the origin of the confusion i think. genesis 1 and 2 are both creation stories, but i doubt they were originally meant to go together. the authors of each were simply concerned with different things.it's sort of a mistake to conflate the man in genesis 1 with adam in genesis 2 and 3, too.

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I didn't actually say that it is fiction. Rather, I see it as a kind of pre-scientific explanation for why there are multiple languages.I accept your point that the building aspect could be based on actual events.

So, why not his sister?Brian.

The grounds that it keeps his ignorant fantasy intact?Brian

Mistranslation? It could be said we all came from Adams rib too, but Eve's mitochondria "only" supports Cain married his sister. Its like the riddle, they founds Adam and Eve's perfectly preserved remains. How did they know it was Adam and Eve. Navel was missing and today while we all share in something Adam and Eve had not(navel). We all however share the same Mitochondrial evidences passed from Adam's rib to Eve(our common ancestor). Scientists through mitochondrial evidence suspect Eve's the mother of all living(common ancestor to all humans that were born).Genesis 1:28 says to this first man and woman to be fruitful and multiply. Genesis 5:4 then says Adam had sons and daughters. Genesis 3:20 Adam said Eve's the mother of all living (common ancestor)
Mitochondrial Eve ?Corrected fossil to preserved remains.This message has been edited by The Golfer, 12-09-2005 10:45 AM

Navels don't fossilize.

I like the way the Bible is so coy in certain episodes and so definitive in the rest of the Book. We have to guess who Cain (and Seth) bonked, who the Pharoah of the Exodus was,the identity of the Beloved Disciple, even what is going on with the naked man in Mark. If He wasn`t such a butcher, I might suspect God to have a sense of humour, inserting these little puzzles to annoy non-believers in the future (or to give believers fantasy-room).