In defense of nihilism

I know your excuse, and your endless vendetta, but there is no reason whatever on this thread for your attitude.

What are you talking about? I guess you can't read. I parodied his post to me just about word for word. Please go reread it Message 209, then check out his following, post #210.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-13-2005 11:21 AM

Good grief, go back and reread my Message 209!! It was a word-for-word copy of his post to me, to demonstrate that it is possible to say the same things back to him from the Biblical point of view -- although I would not use that language myself he DID and the point was to demonstrate that his arrogant attitude against Bible believers is simply the product of his own narrow vision.

I have been parodying him for many posts. What is your problem. My point has been to show that "two can play that game."

"To me religion is a fantasy and reasonable adults would be better off without it."Just another ridiculously self-righteous rude remark. You should have been suspended pages ago for your unbelievable rudeness. Sorry I ever bothered responding to you. Parody doesn't even work does it -- because you don't recognize your own nonsense when it's shown to you. But here's another just for the record:To me evolution is a fantasy and reasonable adults would be better off without it.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-13-2005 11:44 AM

You're right, people are too obtuse to appreciate the point of the parody. But I'd point out about threads that deteriorate into namecalling that it is an interesting fact that YOU are on them.

I didn't say they carry MORE weight. The point is all YOURS are is opinion, couched in unbelievably arrogant rude language, and mine have no LESS weight. And as I pointed out to you all your statements "just show that you reject" God, who has 4000 years of recorded eyewitness evidence.[And P.S. Rejecting the ToE is not rejecting science as the last thing the ToE is is science.]This message has been edited by Faith, 12-13-2005 12:36 PM

I'm enjoying Ian's argument here so just want to chime in on his side and point out he said there's plenty of evidence but definitive proof is only given to those who have turned to God. I rather like that distinction. Plenty of evidence is given to the fleshly mind but only the spiritual (regenerate) mind can know God for sure. I was just reading some Oswald Chambers this morning and ran across his saying that even Christians may not understand many things in the Bible, either because we don't need to know them at the time or because of sin that prevents knowing it, but that when we need it or give up the sin we will then get insight into a particular truth in the Word. I've experienced this personally many times. {AbE: Correction: when we are committed to obeying it is what he said, rather than when we give up the sin}God doesn't deal with fleshly humanity, fallen humanity, though He provides care and has provided His word as a help. The flesh, which is what we are on account of the Fall, is "enmity to God" who is holy and who is Spirit. We have to be born again to recognize God. It's always a start to begin to doubt yourself and consider that maybe there's something to it. But if you just can't give the slightest credence to a bunch of goatherders, nobody's forcing you.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-14-2005 02:09 PMThis message has been edited by Faith, 12-14-2005 02:10 PMThis message has been edited by Faith, 12-14-2005 02:11 PM

Touche'.But science doesn't offer me eternal life.Besides, I not only doubted but aggressively rejected my religion for thirty years before it captured me.Besides, again, I like science, just not the ToE.{AbE: Besides besides again, scientists are just flesh and know nothing of the spirit unless they're born again, so they can't tell me anything about my religion. They can't see God so they call that proof that He doesn't exist, but all it means is that they haven't had their spiritual eyes opened.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-14-2005 03:17 PM

There isn't any. Or there is but it is a matter of inferring from such things as the mysteries of reality and the complexity of living things that a Designer is the only explanation. But you draw the opposite inference, and since most people conclude something similar, I concede for the purpose of this discussion that there isn't any evidence.EXCEPT WITNESS EVIDENCE. That is the ONLY evidence we have. There's lots of it, and it's the key to the whole thing, but if you don't believe the witnesses you can't open the door. Yes, but you don't seem to see that its apparent accidentalness is a matter of interpretation or point of view, a subjective impression. Someone else may see Design or Purpose in it all, even someone who doesn't believe in God. The point being your sense of accidentalness is just your own angle on it. It can't be proved any more than God can be proved. I think it is too, but only for those who can see it. And before I was a Christian I didn't see it. Didn't C.S. Lewis argue for God from conscience? Most of the reality of our nature, our intelligence, our moral sense, our emotional life, our science, our theory-making, all of it, is really at odds with an accidental or random origin, but most people don't see it. We're capable of convincing ourselves that even these amazing things can be the product of randomness no matter how illogical that is. I think that Iano is simply trying to develop arguments to communicate what he knows, just as I'm trying to do, but he knows what he knows because he's born again and not because arguments convinced him.Arguments don't often convince anyone though. Just believe Jesus and do what He says.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-15-2005 02:30 AM