About that Boat - Noah's Ark

I think the point is, when concerning the Chinese boat, is that the Chinese were an advanced seafaring nation, with knowledge of iron working, and sailmaking. The boats in question were built in chinese shipyards by hundreds of men, years of shipbuilding experience, a long tradition of seamanship, and not to mention that these boats were built thousands of years after noah.Now, Noah is supposed to have built that boat with the aid of only 8 guys, on short notice, in a culture with no history of advanced seamanship, no knowledge of metalworking, no likely experience as a sailor, no budget on the scale of an entire empire. This is highly unlikely (read: impossible)[This message has been edited by Yaro, 09-02-2003]

The topic may be about the fesability of such a craft, but such a craft has been pointed out time and time again to not be fesable at all in this thread.The Chinese boat employed iron to hold in it's sides as well as cross beems. The technology employed was hundreds of years in the making. Advanced mathmatics, engeneering, and experience went into those ships. We aren't talking about 120 years, we are talking about thousands of years! Of an entire empire, with an incredibly long history. Do you realize that China had mechanical clocks by the time that boat was built? They were an incredibly advanced culture that were ages ahead of the rest of the world.Noah couldn't dream of building such a vessel if he had 800 years! Not to mention the fact that Noah's vessel had to withstand raging seas (don't say god held it off, becuase you bring magic into this, fessability of the craft is a moot point). It just simply coulden't have been done, It would be the equivilant of asking Noah to build a PowerMac G5 or something.

My apologies, I missread some of the previous poasts. It seems that the secret was not iron (though the chinese did have knowledge of ironworking) but rather a complex wooden balast and bulkhead system:http://www.studyworksonline.com/...18_NAV2-5_SAR108,00.shtmlStill, this article is carefull to note that the chines were 600 years ahead of the Europeans of the time and had advanced mapmaking techniques and compass' ! Again, a testament to how technologicaly challenged Noah must have been.Not to mention the fact, that Noah was likely compleatly ignorant of the idea of balast's and bulkheads.

Page not found | TIMEId also like to add this link. It is a nice interactive site about the ship. It also goes into detail about the complex balast and bulkhead system. It even speaks of the technology employed to move the massive rudder.The ship was a technological marvel, even today. As I stated before, using thousands of years of Chinese technical "know how".

Awsome, got any evidence to back that up? Well, there is evidence of atoms, cells, moleculles etc. Do you have evidence that everyone descended from 8 people on a boat about 3000 years ago?

First off, I wanna see this boat. Second off, I want to see someone cram 2-7 representatives of each of the millions of species on earth into the thing, with food, supplies, and provisions for a year. I'll even make it easy on you, all he has to do is place 2-7 representatives of each and every 'kind' in the world. Once he has done that, assuming his cargo has survived, I want him to bring all the animals up to some mountain in the middle east (any mountain will do, heck, even a hill, or a valley!) and let them go. The place must be desolate however, remember the world had been destroyed, so the area should be desolate.Then I want those animals tracked (using radio transmitters), to see if they instinctively migrate to their natural habitats without dying out along the way.There is an experiment that would validate the plausibility of the ark story. So far, from AIG, i have read hearsay and seen a questionable bibliography.This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-15-2005 02:33 AM

Ok, I'll make it even easier on you. Get 2000 animals, each group of 2-7 a member of a different 'kind'. I don't know what the heck a 'kind ' is, but supposing you figure it out, it should at least seem like the animals are enugh to create the variety we see today. Load them up on the wooden ship and set out to sea for a year. .... that may qualify him to raise chickens or live stock, but certainly not the zoological/bilogical knowledge to keep, say, a giant panda alive for a year in a stuffy wooden boat full of other animals.So, i'll even go this far with you. The test "Noah" can be a farmer. Ok. I'll go this far with you. Our test Noah can let loose the 2000 BABY animals on a mountain in a fertile region of the middle east. How's that? Oh! This get's better! Ok... I wan't our test "Noah" to gather 2000 BABY animals and cram them into the boat and keep them alive for a year. I hate to tell ya, but you just made your job significantly harder!Do you know the kind of special care babys take? You have got to be kidding me. Right. Apperantly they were superbabies Ok. I'll go this far with you. Let's say 500 of the animals (presumably the smaller ones) are breeding age. Put them on the stuffy, wooden boat. Set it at sea for a year with a farmer at the helm. A supperviser on board can take notes on the animals breeding behavior in such an uncomfortable environment.Do you know how hard it is to get certain animals to breed in a zoo, let alone in the ocean!? Greta experiment! Lets get 7 "medium length coated canines", release them on a mountain in the middle east. Track them with radio transmitters and see how far they get and how much they change. Could you tell me about the three-toed sloth. How did he get to the amazon forest in south america? That's the only place he lives ya know, and he is the only one of it's 'kind'. How you figure he crawled all the way from ararat at an average of a foot a minute without dying of predation or starvation along the way? Ok. Let's talk about ring-tailed lemurs. Native only to madegascar. How you figure they got there from ararat without being eaten or dying from starvation?

Look bud,I ain't gonna play games, quibble over semantics, or go down any rabbit holes. I am propossing an honest to god experiment that would cast some credibility on the flood.I want to see 2000 kinds in a wooden boat. Certainly 'creation scientists' can muster the funds to finance such an endevor. They have enough money to lobby congress, make tv shows, publish books, and maintain dishonest websites.Here is the experiment, I am sure the amount of money required can be budgeted and proposed.The scientists must gather 2000 kinds. 500 of which may be babies. The boat must be built as specified in the bible. Modern tools may be used in the construction, but the boat it'self must adhere to engennering standards of 3000BCE. No modern ameneties should be on the vessel.The 'Noah' participant will be supplied the 2000 animals. He will be a farmer, prefereably with no education beyond highschool. Prefereably an individual from a rural, empovrished, background.The farmer may bring along 7 other helpers from his kin. The boat will have video cameras and other devices to log conditions on the vessel etc. The vessel is to be launched during a hurricane.A crew of scientists will follow the vessel, with a weakly boarding in which they will inspect the crew, animals, and make any necissary observations.This will continue untill the experiment fails catastrophicaly, or a year has passed.At the end of a year we can see weather or not the animals survived. If they didn't, which I am sure they wouldn't, what would you conclude?ABE: Also remember, that our 'farmer' is in charge of stocking the food and other supplies. The scientists may not aid him in this task.This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-15-2005 08:54 PM

I think it is hillarious when you propose such vast engeneering feats! We are talking about a middleeastern farmer in 3000BCE, and he is gonna know about plumbing? Verimicomposition? Give me a break!Not to mention the fact that none of your Ad Hoc explanations would do you an ounce of good in this sittuation. As others have ellaborated, there are many more graves you are digging for yourself in this.