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John Inactive Member |
quote: This is a strategy I highly recommend.
quote: Bad debate form... ? Only in competition, but that is a game. Good politics.... wait... no... bad politics....
quote: Drat....!!! Perhaps you were trying to do this: <sarcasm>....</sarcasm> ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I really don't understand the argument. Maybe, try again? I confused.
quote: I am confused again. Maybe you meant to say "... dogs and us DO NOT get our ....."
quote: I understand that this is the party line, but I don't completely buy it, for reasons I've stated. Also, all respect due, that the man is a vet does not make him an authority on animal behavior, just as being a doctor does not make one understand people. I once knew a vet who threw a fit because an injured cat-- my injured cat-- scratched him... go figure. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Back to the example i used, one female (queen bee) and no hive == 0% chance of survival. The queen depends upon the hive for food and protection, and for assistance raising the kids. One human female without a social structure is in essentially the same boat.
quote:quote: The older I get, the more humans seem like the rest of the pack. Humans are not very good at self reflection, despite the hype.
quote: Looks like it supports my case. Sexual activity to relieve tension, due to over-- ummmm--- petting, as well as dominance. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Probably the human female. Humans are more versatile and a lot smarter. And after mating the male bee dies.
quote: Would you apply that definition to humans? If a man 'get's off' with another man, but not for both sexual and emotional reasons, is that not homosexual behavior? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: You asked whether I thought one male and one female human would have a better chance of survival than one and one female bee. This is a different question than asking which has the better chance IF they survive to reproduce.
quote: Well maybe if you can explain why a man would "get-off" for some reason other than to relieve sexual desire/tension... [/B][/QUOTE] Dominance. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Rape pretty much is about dominance.
quote: Are you taking the position that homosexual rape isn't homosexual?
quote: On a broader scale it does happen though. Homosexual rape of defeated enemies is, or was, common in some cultures. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
Allen darling,
I thought you'd left me.
quote: Myth.
quote: How exactly is the truth a slap in the face? The studies have been done my friend. And the frequency of child rape goes way up in fundamentalist families as well.
quote: OK.
quote: Sorry, that's what fundies do. You must be confused.
quote: LOL!!!!!!!!!! Rolling on the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!! But seriously.... you are full of crap. I don't know how else to respond to this garbage. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 11-14-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Not before I've had my coffee in the morning.
quote: Snippy... shall we review the name calling you directed my way last time you were here?
quote: You mean like this:
quote: quote: You are just the man to lead me there. By the way, my girlfriend responded to the post you put on my site. Ta ta.... hugs and kisses.... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I know. I love people like Allen. They are better arguments against Xtianity that I could ever dream up. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Allen, haven't you figured out that devil worship implies the belief in God?
quote: Yes, voodoo magic fills me with terror.
quote: More like, you've come a long way baby.
quote: So much for that Holy War.... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Have you read Leviticus? I guarantee you that you don't do 90% of what God commands. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: ahhhh..... classic cinema! I said all the way from Leviticus, not I practice Levitical law.
quote: Would you mind jumping into the following threads?
EvC Forum: Luke and Matthews geneologies EvC Forum: the day the lord died EvC Forum: Why would the apostiles have lied? quote: Well, there is some oddly frequent incest in the Bible. It starts right off the bat with Adam n Eve's kids. Lot's daughters take a ride on old dad in Gen. 19:30-38. Rueben sleeps with his dad's concubine in Gen 35:22. This brings the sons of Jacob to twelve. God does, in Gen. 49:4, state that Rueben will not excel because of this; right after, in Gen 49:3, lavishing some hefty praise on him. Guess God is fickle. God God tells Onan the go in to his deceased brother's wife in Gen. 38:8-10. Tamar and her father-in-law get in on in Gen 38:27-28. One of the offspring from this union was an ancestor of Jesus. Beastiality: Well there is this odd giant/human mating in Gen. 6:4. Human sacrifice: There is one threat and one very odd verse: Ex. 22:29Unless you count all the humans slaughtered in God's holy wars.... Rape: Lev. 19:20-22 A very appropriate punishment for rape....Num. 31 Duet. 20:14 Keep the women for yourselves. I guess it pays to be in God's army. Duet. 21:11-14. Duet. 22:28-29. Does this strike you as fair? Judges 5:30 Judges 14:1-3 Judges 19:22-30 Probably the most vicious passage in the OT. Child murder: Of course there is the Flood. Lots of kids died there.Sodom and Gomorah. Lots of kids die there too. They must have been sinful. Exodus 12:29-30. God kills the first-born sons of Egypt. Why? Because the Pharoah wouldn't release the Isrealites. Why would he not do so? BECAUSE GOD WOULDN'T LET HIM!!!! Exodus 21:15-17. A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. Hey! I kinda like that one. Lev. 26:22 God threatens some more kids. Num. 5:11-31 Does abortion count as child murder? Num 21:35 More slaughter of innocents. Duet. 2:34 The little ones are wiped out. Duet 3:3-6 Same as above Duet. 7:2-3 Same as above Duet 13:15 More child killing Duet 20:13 Killing of all males. If you are lucky enough to be female you get to be kidnapped, enslaved and raped !!! Duet 20:16 Leave nothing alive that breatheth! quote: This would be funny if it weren't so sick.
quote: I hate to break it to you but the Isrealites aren't the only ones who figured this out.
quote: LOL... again. This isn't terribly spectacular.
quote: And it is mind-numbingly common for the legal systems of the time as well.
quote: Is this a good example? Duet. 25:11-12
quote: That is the ultimate cop-out, no offense. You completely wash your hands of the issue.
quote: What do you know about the surrounding religions? Just curious. The faithful seem to be nearly universally ignorant of these things.
quote: I see the sacrifices as a means of income for the parasitic priestly tribe.
quote: So far you are not convincing.
quote: Sidestepping, of course, the obvious focus on esternal and superficial characteristics. I guess God doesn't look under the skin?
quote: Have you evidence for either assertion?
quote: Meaning? The Jews didn't kill the handicapped? That's generous.
quote: Right. Probably. I can see the correlation.
quote: You mean the aliens who weren't slaughtered right? The only time I see the Isrealites being magnanimous is when they are under someone's thumb.
quote: Right. And everytime I do this, I get more pissed off. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Are we sidestepping that what I cited was commanded by or condoned by God?
quote: I did not cite one example of the actions of people other than the Isrealites.
quote: I though we were not going to hand-wave. I gave you specific examples and this is all you can come up with? The restating of your initial post? Please....
quote: More hand-waving.
quote: But you feel confident in insulting me with this handwaving?
quote: Then lets have 'em, darling. That is why I posted.
quote: Perhap you should not assume what I have read and what I have considered. And perhaps you should just make your case.
quote: How generous of you. Alternately, you could just make your case.
quote: So, read it and rationalize it until I believe it. LOL........
quote: Hand waving, conveniently designed to allow you to not address the issues.
quote: yawn..... are you going to make a case or not?
quote: Hey, whadaya know!!!! Me too.
quote: Yes, there is a reason for that. I started to think about the garbage in the Bible.
quote: Disbelieve, not disobey. The latter requires belief.
quote: What? I believe it or I don't understand it? I'd hoped you would come up with something better than this infinitely recycled and pitiful line. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I find it odd that, this being the case, Christians don't ditch the OT. They keep it around and pick and chose what they want out of it and throw away the rest claiming that Christ fullfilled this and that. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus state exactly what is to go and what is to stay, so people pick and choose per personnal preference. It doesn't make sense. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Yeah, gene, it would be proof, IF IT WORKED. I am perfectly willing to test it.
quote: You are really reaching for this one. Yes, I do maintain that the Isrealites would have incorporated practical knowledge into their culture. Do you maintain that they are so stupid as to not have been sensible enought to that? However, I cannot think of any observation that supports the idea that killing a dove cures leprosy. Surely you have to realize the difference between recognizing that keeping a wound covered helps prevent infection and "observing" that sticking pins in a voodoo doll cures disease. Basically, the dove slaughter is a magical cure. I dare you to provide a physical means by which dove killing can cure leprosy. I dare you to run an experiment to find out IF dove slaughter cures leprosy.
quote: Just felt the need to bring that up again? Do you want me to define theism in such a way as to exclude you and all of christianity? I think I can peg you on the "worthy of adoration" aspect of the definition in my Encyclopedia or Philosophy. But that is just quibbling isn't it?
quote: I assume you mean in an earlier post. I'll look at that. ------------------
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