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Author Topic:   Solving the Mystery of the Biblical Flood II
wmscott
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Message 227 of 234 (215691)
06-09-2005 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Kraniet
06-09-2005 12:10 PM


Dear Kraniet;
I am aware of the many flood myths from around the world, while they point towards the occurrence of a recent global flood, they don't prove that one happened. Some myths are just myths, and some are more, but to tell the difference takes supporting evidence. That is the point I am at, doing more field work to have the evidence to support a scientific paper on a recent late Ice Age global flooding event.
As for "pole shifts", shifting the earth's pole of rotation suddenly by a large amount, is of course impossible. The energy input from a impact event with enough power to tilt the earth, would have super heated the earth's surface, killing all life and boiling the oceans into steam.
On the possibility of the earth's Moon having been recently acquired, lunar tide effects show up in the fossil record going back many millions of years, so the Moon has been with us a very long time. Biblically the Moon makes it's appearance at Genesis 1:16 "And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars." long before the flood. Other scriptures also link the appearance of the Moon with creation, and not with the flood. (Psalm 8:3) "When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers, The moon and the stars that you have prepared," There is no indication in the Bible that the Moon came along later after the creation, rather it is clearly part of the original creation of the heavens and the earth.
Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson

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Message 228 of 234 (217704)
06-17-2005 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by wmscott
06-09-2005 4:18 PM


How much water is below the surface of the ocean? Seven-ish years ago, a team leader at Los Alamos by the name of Mike Houts told me they had discovered the ocean had ten to one-hundred times more water below it, than above it. An incredible figure to me. I haven't heard of this before or since, from any other source than Mike, so I thought I'd ask you guys.
One, it makes this verse appear quite literal "the wellsprings of the great deep burst forth." -Genesis 7:11
And two, it certainly provides enough water for a world-wide flood if God (for the sake of argument) not only existed... but had the power to bring such water to the surface. Regardless of the amount of ice available... there would be enough. I was just wondering if anyone had heard of this at all.

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Message 229 of 234 (217709)
06-17-2005 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by adrenalinejunkie
06-17-2005 3:59 PM


Seven-ish years ago, a team leader at Los Alamos by the name of Mike Houts told me they had discovered the ocean had ten to one-hundred times more water below it, than above it
There's some water down there, but not in liquid form. The US Geological Survey hasn't heard of any significant amount of water down there: Where is Earth's water located? Nor has it shown up on any of the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of seismic surveys done all over the Earth. Nor has it manifested its presence in any of the several ways that liquid water would if it were there; we've got a pretty good picture of the Earth's density as a function of depth by analyzing earthquake waves:
(linked from Earthquakes & their Uses (Seismology).
Pretty likely you mis-heard or your source mis-spoke.

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adrenalinejunkie
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Message 230 of 234 (217743)
06-17-2005 6:14 PM
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06-17-2005 4:27 PM


Well, I know I didn't mis-hear and I doubt he misspoke. Likely, it was another scientist's findings that either haven't been listened to, or have since been disproved and/or changed since Mike was talking about it 7 years ago. A lot of what we talked about were discussions among scientists and what this guy or that woman was studying/finding etc... -not necessarily stuff that had been formally established at the time.
Thanks for the info!

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edge
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Message 231 of 234 (217752)
06-17-2005 6:55 PM
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06-17-2005 6:14 PM


Well, I know I didn't mis-hear and I doubt he misspoke. Likely, it was another scientist's findings that either haven't been listened to, or have since been disproved and/or changed since Mike was talking about it 7 years ago. A lot of what we talked about were discussions among scientists and what this guy or that woman was studying/finding etc... -not necessarily stuff that had been formally established at the time.
Thanks for the info!
Well, I think we can consider it established. Maybe someone has the reference, but indeed there is water in the mantle. It is tied up in hydrous minerals and makes up tiny fraction of the total mass of the mantle. Since the mantle is so large, yes, there is a lot of water there. However, it is difficult to imagine it being suddenly liberated to form distinct fountains at selected sites on the seafloor. It is even more fanciful to imagine the water going back into the mantle after the flood.

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Message 232 of 234 (217755)
06-17-2005 7:04 PM
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06-17-2005 6:55 PM


Mantle water - Relevant info in a better topic to discuss the matter
Edge - See Terry (at Terry's Talk Origins) found something interesting at the "Where did the flood waters come from and where did they go?" topic.
Futher references there.
Moose

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edge
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Message 233 of 234 (217789)
06-17-2005 11:17 PM
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06-17-2005 7:04 PM


Re: Mantle water - Relevant info in a better topic to discuss the matter
Wadsleyite, eh? And only 3.3% water. I wonder what percent of the mantle is wadsleyite. So if 1% of the mantle is water, just how much water is that? I'm sure it's a whole bunch, but it's kind of dispersed and kind of bound. Thanks for the info.
Please - Any further debate of this detail would be better at the topic cited in message 232. - Adminnemooseus
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GIDEON MAGE
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Message 234 of 234 (270666)
12-19-2005 12:31 AM
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06-17-2005 11:17 PM


Re: Mantle water - Relevant info in a better topic to discuss the matter
Okay-wouldn't it make a lot more sense to simply assume the flood legends were vague memories of something and go from there. The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. When this happened, vast areas of land, which were on the surface for thousands of years, were flooded. Not very long after this, ancient civilizations, and their writing systems, began. Don't you think they would have memories of flooding?

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