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Author Topic:   George Bush protecting your civil liberties by breaking them
Dan Carroll
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Message 75 of 220 (271384)
12-21-2005 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by custard
12-21-2005 11:22 AM


Re: time of war
Yeah, but the US imprisoning non-US citizens is a LOT different in my book than the US imprisoning its own citizens.
Such as José Padilla?
(Edit: whoops, just got beaten to that point. Man, my web-fu is slow lately.)
This message has been edited by [Dan's Clever Alias], 12-21-2005 11:42 AM

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Dan Carroll
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Message 95 of 220 (271441)
12-21-2005 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by custard
12-21-2005 11:55 AM


Re: time of war
Jose Padilla? You mean the gang member and convicted murderer who palled around with Al Qaeda buddies, went to Iraq and was just charged with "providing - and conspiring to provide - material support to terrorists, and conspiring to murder individuals who are overseas".
That Jose Padilla? Yeah, I'm all broken up over what happened to him. I mean, if the govt can do that to a guy like him, then it can... wait a second, I'm nothing like him nor is 99.9% of the US.
So it's not that you're against the US imprisoning its own citizens without trial, it's that you're against the imprisonment of citizens who are like you.
Wow.

"I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I've simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar."
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Dan Carroll
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Message 111 of 220 (271765)
12-22-2005 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Tal
12-22-2005 2:08 PM


Re: Tal or other conservatives.
Here is a list of terrorist attacks in the last 20ish years.
Now, would you classify terrorism as just a fear, or a reality? I classify it as a reality.
If we assume the highest possible number of fatalities for each incident, it adds up to 3,924 dead over a 20 year span.
42,643 people died in motorvehicle accidents on American roads in 2003 alone. And this was the lowest number of fatalities for any year since the US began keeping records of road fatalities in 1979.
While terrorism is real, trying to paint it as something that should hold our lives in FEAR is just silly. Especially when you stand a much, much better chance of dying by crossing the street.

"I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I've simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar."
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