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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design and Bible Codes
ausar_maat
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Message 16 of 49 (250594)
10-10-2005 9:57 PM
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10-10-2005 8:36 AM


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Careful with that one ausar, be advised that Behe's ID has been thuroughly debunked.
Well, I would like to read it myself because I've spent time reading many debunk articles about ID, but at the end, I haven't found them completely satisfactory. So I wish to read what Behe and Dembski have to say on the subject.
I think the essential flaw of ID would be that it tells little or nothing about the Designer, other then the fact that there is one. On the other hand, that can be a good thing too though.
I also would like to read this book: http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=2061
Which presents both views from Ruse and Dembski at opposite ends coming toghether to edit this piece. Seems interesting.
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Nuggin
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Message 17 of 49 (250622)
10-11-2005 1:42 AM
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10-10-2005 5:14 PM


Re: brendan mckay
Well, of course it's BS, but the question remains:
Since this follows the same basic logic of ID, do IDers support something as profoundly silly as Bible Codes (or Moby Dick Codes)?

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arachnophilia
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Message 18 of 49 (250641)
10-11-2005 4:18 AM
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10-11-2005 1:42 AM


Re: brendan mckay
or Moby Dick Codes
clearly, "moby dick" was intelligently written! how silly of you to propose otherwise!
added by edit: now, if we wanted to discuss, say, "for whom the bell tolls" ....
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ausar_maat
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Message 19 of 49 (250953)
10-11-2005 7:24 PM
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10-11-2005 4:18 AM


Re: brendan mckay
I read this interesting article, it doesn't deal with the now debunked Drosnin codes, but the other codes.
http://www.torahcodes.co.il/debate1.htm
is any one aware of an article that refured this one. I haven't read one yet.
thanx

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arachnophilia
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Message 20 of 49 (251336)
10-13-2005 12:16 AM
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10-11-2005 7:24 PM


Re: brendan mckay
i'm not totally sure. i know when i heard mckay speak, he didn't concentrate the whole lecture on drosnin, and spent some time discussing other techniques and other coders. these might have been some of them.
he mentioned, for instance, something about rigging programs and double standards. not being a statistician or a combinatorist, i didn't get any of the technical stuff.

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Message 21 of 49 (251525)
10-13-2005 5:59 PM
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Re: brendan mckay
I`ll bite--what`a a combinatorist? Someone who uses both the Bible and the Quran?

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Message 22 of 49 (251589)
10-13-2005 9:01 PM
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10-13-2005 5:59 PM


Re: brendan mckay
someone who studies combinatorics.

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Nighttrain
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Message 23 of 49 (251601)
10-13-2005 9:38 PM
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10-13-2005 9:01 PM


Re: brendan mckay
Thanks,Arach, I checked dict.com and got a no results.

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ausar_maat
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Message 24 of 49 (252754)
10-18-2005 1:19 PM
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10-13-2005 9:38 PM


Re: brendan mckay
I dunno but Dr. Doron Witztum claims McKay still has no reply to the discrediting of Mckay's "Study of Variations" defects?
http://www.torahcodes.co.il/paro_hb.htm
http://www.torahcodes.co.il/vares_eng.htm
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Christian7
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Message 25 of 49 (255607)
10-30-2005 9:46 AM
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09-17-2005 5:46 PM


Most christians who reason based on the bible, do not believe in the bible codes I am sure.

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Nighttrain
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Message 26 of 49 (255681)
10-30-2005 7:04 PM
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10-30-2005 9:46 AM


Reason
Hi,G.
Most christians who reason based on the bible
Most Christians I have met (away from EvC) fail to do much reasoning at all. They parrot preachers, priests and pamphlets and turn away if you try to point out their errors. Why reason when someone else has done it for them?

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captainbucky
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Message 27 of 49 (272520)
12-24-2005 4:53 PM
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09-17-2005 5:46 PM


Ha bible codes what a load of BS
The bible is a very long book using computers to find any combination of characters there is bound to be interesting things in there... The prob is pretty close to one.
Anyway take any book of reasonable length and there will be 'predictions' in it - this has been shown with moby dick, treasure island and others....
Bible codes - good way to make money out of thick people

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Nighttrain
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Message 28 of 49 (272724)
12-25-2005 11:09 PM
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12-24-2005 4:53 PM


welcome
Hi, CB and welcome.
Steady on, Treasure Island? :-p

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ReverendDG
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Message 29 of 49 (272744)
12-26-2005 12:43 AM
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09-17-2005 5:46 PM


I would put ID and bible codes in the same boat ie: wishful thinking with some unwillingness to own up to reality
it depends on how you define equality between moby dick and the bible
as books i would say they are equal, but as books with authority given by millions of people, no the bible has more weight than moby dick
what i mean is people who look at the bible as having some outside meaning than a book, wouldn't consider moby dick to be equal
some people also like to make the religous text have deeper meaning than it really does

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inkorrekt
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Message 30 of 49 (284256)
02-05-2006 7:50 PM
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09-17-2005 5:46 PM


Bible Code
I have read the book. It is hard for me to discard the information. There is compelling evidence.It is fascinating. However, I will not ascribe any value to this. It could be a rare coincidence or it may be real. I do not know. But, the evidence is compelling.

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