Man raised back to life in Jesus' name

Marshfield News-HeraldMIracles still happen today.

I didn't see how this was related to the debate. It's a news story, and not a scientific story and so seemed best suited to Coffee House. It's not meant to be debated in a formal sense as the news story, nor the woman, nor I am doing anything more than retelling an event. It's not like we are going to try to experiment on people, flat-lining them and then see how many we can bring back via prayer.

prove it

You said it is not a miracle. Back up your claims or retract them.

You said it was not a miracles. Prove it.My point here is you made a claim you cannot prove. You should say it is not scientifically proven it was a miracle, not that you know it was not a miracle because frankly, you do not know, and have no evidence at all except this news story.I accept the story as true and you do not. That's reality.Your childish insistence it is not a miracled based on no evidence at all is indicative of evos in general. You assert somethign you cannot substantiate and then when called on it, run.I readily admitted when I placed this in Coffee House that I wasn't trying to "prove" it was a miracle. I believe the story since I have seen miracles, and you do not.

Sorry, but stating it was not a miracle is an unsubstantiated claim, and should be retracted and rephrased that he believes it is not a miralce.I offer up the news story as my evidence, and placed this in Coffee House because there is nothing here to argue really. You either beleive her story and account or do not. Discussions of why one believes can be fruitful. I believe because I have seen similar things, and all the evidence thus far indicates the story happened.I don't know of anything beyond the story itself to prove or disprove, but certainly bare statements "it's not a miracle" are completely contradictory with an open mind and moreover unsubstantiated.One point I had in posting this was just to point out that when people say miracles do not happen today as in the Bible, imo, they are disingenious or ignorant of the claims out there. The Bible miracles are no less or more proven than the ones today. They happened then and happened now. Some beleive and investigate and some do not.This message has been edited by randman, 12-26-2005 03:04 PM

Have you taken any effort at all in making your statement "it is not a miracle" to determine if it was a miracle or not?I seriously doubt you have, but you insist it was not a miracle prior to ever studying the issue out.

I looked into this and saw miracles really do happen. So when people say they haven't seen proof, I question whether they have looked into it for themselves. I used to provide documentation of some miracles, but found that when people do not want to believe, they will just dismiss it anyway, no matter how much evidence you present.In my experience, people that are open-minded will find the evidence. They will hear stories like this, and consider them, and they will run across people that have experienced such miracles, and believe and look into them.People that don't want to believe and are close-minded, in my experience, will not believe no matter what evidence you provide for them.So I don't argue to prove this stuff anymore. If you are open-minded, you will hear of more of this, and if not, you probably won't accept anything, even if you witness the miracle yourself.

the story is all the evidence offerred for this thread asqara....if you or someone chooses to reject this, that's your business, but you cannot say you know it was not a miracle without backing that up.You may not like my evidence here, but it is some evidence. more than theodric has offerred..

the claim and story are the evidence of the miracle...if you feel it is insufficient, then argue that....stating you know for a fact it is not a miracle is an unsubstantiated claim..

It's interesting the emotional level in terms of the negative response to just reporting a woman's account.Seems some folks have an emotional interest in disbelieving in miracles.

That's pretty interesting, especially the number of people that witnessed this. Not surprising really once you recognize such things can happen.any more info on it?

OK, well maybe it is a hoax...or people misinterpeting something. It's not related to the things I have witnessed. I have witnessed miracles in reaction to prayer in the name of Jesus. As far as statues, I am not dismissive, but if the substance of the statue can absorb liquid, then that should be easily tested. I guess we'd have to see if the substance really absorbs liquid.This message has been edited by randman, 12-26-2005 04:16 PM

sidelined, I don't treat the things of God via science, and learned that it is not always wise to try to use "proof" to let people know in terms of documentating miracles. I have seen myself, and have had close friends be the recipient of, many miracles, and know missionaries in the field that have witnessed even greater miracles.Pretty much all the same stuff that happened in Jesus' time with a few exceptions such as walking on the water or changing the water to wine occur today, and in being a Christian for the past 18 years, I have seen all these things occur or talked with others who saw them occur firsthand. These include the deaf and blind being cured, healings of terminal diseases, new body parts in a few cases, new teeth, miraculous things which I don't really want to get into too much on this forum, and even the recently died being brought back to life (this last one heard from others).I know a woman for instance that prayed for a baby that had died, after the doctors had stopped trying, and about 20-30 minutes after the baby was declared dead, and she went in and prayed for her friend's baby. She is Christian and her friend was Jewish, and she prayed in the name of Jesus and the baby was brought back to life. The doctors and staff were amazed. This happened in Israel and caused such a stir she had to leave the country for a little while but she's been back. Know the lady myself, and there are other reports.Most of what I have seen involve miracles besides someone actually passing away being restored.

Let me add a small miracle but which would be hard to fake. I had a friend that had fillings in his teeth go up for prayer in a healing meeting and when he came back to his seat the fillings were gone and he had tooth where the fillings were.I know a guy staying at my brother-in-laws that went up for prayer with the older darker colored fillings come back with gold fillings. I was not at the meeting, but looked at the fillings myself as we were all staying at the same house. They were also intricate drawings on the gold.Now, those are not the most important miracles, but they certainly were not faked. When the anointing and presence of God are involved, miraculous things can happen.One time a guy that just broke his leg came to a meeting and God healed his leg, but he was not sure because he had the cast. The doctors said it would take 6 weeks. He went in and had it examined, and the leg was totally healed and they took the cast off. This sort of thing is not unheard of, or incredibly unusual.But that doesn't mean we all get a miracle when we want one, or we would all be healthy and rich. We do though receive something better than a miracle though.