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Modulous
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Message 3 of 300 (272772)
12-26-2005 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by randman
12-26-2005 3:43 AM


Of course, one is left desperately asking - 'What were the First Responders doing whilst she was laying on hands?' Had they attempted CPR?
I'm not trying to be a killjoy, its a heart warming christmas tale to hear that miracles are still happening. Indeed, I'm sure many people have been touched by such miracles during the festive season and it gives them strength and bolsters their faith. 'Tis the season after all.
Have a Merry Christmas, rand?

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Message 49 of 300 (273127)
12-27-2005 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Madfish
12-26-2005 10:41 PM


Absolute claims
If someone claims they have been visited by magical unicorns, are we allowed to disagree? Is the burden on us skeptics to prove that such a visitation never happened?
If we are not justified in asking for evidence for such a claim, how can we seperate the real from the imagined?
Yes, perfectly justified asking for evidence...which is different from flat out stating that the event didn't happen.
I read the first post of randman's as being opinion (ie, his belief) not a claim of fact, something I believe he has later confirmed
Using the above as an example, how can I prove that magical unicorns never visited? Does the fact that I can't prove they didn't, give any credibility to the claim? No, certainly not.
It feels wierd to be on randman's side here. If someone says 'Unicorns still visit us', I would take that as being a statement of belief, not a scientific claim. If someone retorts "No, they do not", that is an absolute statement. To make an absolute statement, one needs to be absolutely sure.
How can anyone be sure that unicorns do not still visit us?
It winds me up when 'creos' do it - "Evolution is impossible" - just as much as when 'evos' do it.
You mean, like the assertion that the news story is a miracle?
This strikes me as being odd. Am I the only one who read randman's statement as being a statement of belief, not an assertion?

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Modulous
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Message 55 of 300 (273217)
12-27-2005 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Madfish
12-27-2005 5:21 AM


Re: Absolute claims
Thank you, but no apology needed. Randman's OP was sparse and unspecific. I've been around forums long enough to learn the old troll's tactic to post an ambiguous statement knowing that people will take it one way and you can then play the 'I meant it the other way card' later on, thus 'winning' a victory.
I wouldn't dream of accusing randman of deliberately using such a tactic, but my trolldar sometimes picks these things up, even when done accidentally.
I don't think we've spoken before, so let me welcome you to EvC...it's oddly addictive, you have been warned.

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Message 56 of 300 (273218)
12-27-2005 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Theodoric
12-27-2005 11:29 AM


Re: Absolute claims
He asserted "MIracles still happen today."
A statement of fact.
If he posted, in the coffee house, a Bible quote and then said "Jesus is the son of God", would you consider that a statement of fact or faith? I would take it as a statement of faith.

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