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roxrkool
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Message 12 of 302 (272818)
12-26-2005 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by nwr
12-22-2005 9:57 PM


Re: My comments to the NWR message
I question the comment about how evos should behave. It seems to me that if we followed those principles, then a creo could post outrageous nonsense, yet be assured of having the last word, simply by posting off-topic.

In this particular case, I thought the post by The Golfer was absurd and its absurdity should be pointed out - even at the risk of my being "spanked" for an OT post.

This is something that happens all too often in non-scientific threads by Creationists who have been here long enough to understand the rules.

They feel comfortable making the most absurd YEC/ID statements because as soon as someone replies and calls them out for the statement, they either merrily yell, "OFF TOPIC" and skip onto their next reply or they say nothing and wait for the admin to take care of it.

Now we could propose a new thread to respond to the off-topic statements, but that doesn't mean the Creationist will respond. Why would they when they can make as many unsubstantiated claims as they wish in a non-science thread without having to defend them in the least?


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roxrkool
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Message 14 of 302 (273036)
12-26-2005 8:47 PM
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12-26-2005 1:29 PM


Re: My comments to the NWR message
Another way to handle topic drift is to ignore those posters who consistently take advantage of the off-topic rules.

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roxrkool
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Message 135 of 302 (276270)
01-06-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Theodoric
01-05-2006 6:09 PM


Re: Do something abour Randman and Faith
Just do what I do, Theo, ignore Faith and Randman - and anyone else that drives you batty.

I don't read any of their posts (except on very rare occasions) and life at EvC is so much better because of it. In fact, I try not to read any thread they participate in either. :)

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roxrkool
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Message 146 of 302 (276506)
01-06-2006 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by AdminRandman
01-06-2006 5:59 PM


Re: feedback
For crying out loud, I read that thread and I understood exactly what Trix and Percy did. If there was a misunderstanding on Trixie's and Percy's part, it's because it was not clear what Faith was stating. And even when Faith attempts to clarify her position it STILL was not clear to me what her position was/is. So NO, Faith was NOT clear in her stance - obviously.

None of Trixie's posts seemed at all goading or as if she was 'playing games.' All I saw was Trixie attempting to get to the heart of what Faith stated and what exactly she was or was not supporting.

The following (from post 105) I found extremely confusing:

Faith writes:

I did NOT say "Follow God for better health" Percy, I quoted JESUS telling a man He healed to "Go and sin no more" and I referenced Proverbs where people are admonished to avoid sin and practice righteousness and ill or good health is often the consequence.

Yes this is my opinion ALSO, but the FIRST thing that has to be noticed is that I WAS JUST PROVIDING A CITATION, WHICH CRASHFROG EVEN NOTED, why can't you? This is what the Bible says. So that if someone is going to start arguing with me about what the Bible says they are arguing with the Bible and not with me.

She was just quoting the Bible AND she supports, but you can't argue her position because they are not her words but the Bible's. HUH???

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So basically:

1) Faith DOES believe one should follow god for better health,

2) which was suspected by Trixie after Faith posted the original Bible quote in post 76.

3) To which Trixie responded by questioning Faith in post 79;

4) But in post 80, Faith implies she does not necessarily support what she posted (which we now know is not the case), which starts the confusion.

5) Then in post 88, Faith states

"Again, I wasn't "saying" anything. I quoted the Bible. Referred to the Bible in the case of Proverbs. Didn't give my own view of anything. In fact I have to guess what you are talking about. You are imputing all kinds of ideas to me without quoting me, and most of them I don't recognize as my own.

again denying support of the statement.

6) Then in post 98, Faith starts losing her patience and accuses Trixie of playing games because apparently Trixie is perfectly aware of what the Bible states (but as far as I can see, Trixie is attempting to clarify FAITH'S position, not the Bible's)...

Faith writes:

You perfectly well know that the Bible is full of God's will to cure the sick, so what kind of game are you playing anyway?

and being dishonest, manipulative, ...

Faith writes:

Please excuse me if I say that I can't think of this question as anything but absurd, disingenuous, dishonest, manipulative. If you know the Bible at all, you know perfectly well that it teaches BOTH. You perfectly well know that healing is a great part of the Biblical teaching, so why are you asking me if God "approves of us trying to mitigate his punishment?" You're playing games. If you didn't know that it teaches that disease is caused by sin I'm surprised, but by now evidence enough has been given to demonstrate that to you.

Why does Faith accuse Trixie of all this? All because Trixie does not believe exactly as Faith does. Because Trixie's understanding of the Bible is different. And because Trixie dares ask Faith to clarify her position, but Faith likes to hide behind the Bible. Faith supports what the Bible says, but since she didn't write those words, she doesn't need to defend them. Argue the Bible instead, apparently. Uh...okay...

Not ONCE did I see Trixie be anything but polite and ask simple logical questions congruent with the direction of the discussion. But Faith THINKS she knows what Trixie is up to, as if she can read minds.

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roxrkool
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Message 150 of 302 (276571)
01-06-2006 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Faith
01-06-2006 7:58 PM


Re: feedback + long ABE
But Faith, Percy had a hard time following you and I just told you I did as well. Chances are others also had a hard time following your logic. So there is no reason anymore to assume the worst of Trixie.

All I saw was an attempt at clarification and a normal, run of the mill, ornery discussion about religion. If Trixie insinuated you said something it's because that's what it looked like to her. I thought the EXACT same thing she and Percy did. There was no reason that I saw for you to go off on her. You simply assumed the worst and went from there. If people aren't understanding you, maybe it's you and not everyone else.

Yes, the Bible connects sin and disease.
Yes, because the Bible connects sin and disease, I personally believe there is that connection. I didn't make it up, it's there. I don't see how it can be interpreted to say anything else.
From what I saw, this statement of yours is what she understood and was trying to discuss with you. You believe the above, she doesn't (I think), and therefore she wanted to know how you personally reconciled this belief with other parts of the Bible.

Why is it so wrong to ask you to support your particular beliefs and interpretations in a religious debate/discussion? If off-topic, then a simple, "that's off-topic, but perhaps we can continue the discussion in a new thread" would suffice.

You are constantly assuming the worst from people and if you look for it, you'll always find it.

Just chill out, quit with the martyr complex, stop whining and tattling, share your thoughts and beliefs with people when they're interested enough to ask you, and for crying out loud admit when you're wrong, being a jerk, or don't know something. The fact is you don't know it all. Deal with it like the rest of us do.


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roxrkool
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Message 165 of 302 (276755)
01-07-2006 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Trixie
01-07-2006 3:39 PM


Re: Conflict Resolution Thread
Sorry, Trixie. I shouldn't have butt my big nose in.

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roxrkool
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Message 212 of 302 (278829)
01-13-2006 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by FliesOnly
01-13-2006 5:14 PM


Re: brennakimi suspended, Golfer not?
Reading that thread I couldn't decide whether to rage at him for his extraordinarily insulting posts, laugh at the insanity, feel sorry for his obvious ignorance of women, or ignore him as a troll.

Sadly, I think he's completely serious... but I wouldn't be surprised if he was a troll.

I think brenna had every right to her words.


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roxrkool
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Message 219 of 302 (280109)
01-19-2006 9:47 PM


history of feminism thread?
Is anyone planning on starting a thread to continue the discussion on the history of feminism at the end of the 'women and the fundamentalist view of marriage' thread? It was really getting interesting.

Actually, the entire thread was excellent, but I can only take so much of the submission nonsense before I want to pull my hair out.


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roxrkool
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Message 221 of 302 (280137)
01-19-2006 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by macaroniandcheese
01-19-2006 10:47 PM


Re: history of feminism thread?
lol Gotcha. Been through those threads before.

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