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Author Topic:   George Bush protecting your civil liberties by breaking them
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Message 121 of 220 (272154)
12-23-2005 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Silent H
12-23-2005 11:03 AM


Re: War or No, Bush has too much power
I think it's counter-productive to attack Bush for this and claim this is something new when it is not. The unstated message is this is something only Bush has done instead of enlightening people to the fact this is standard operating procedure all the time with the intelligence community.
So I am responding to what I feel is a lie.
If you want people that follow such practices to take you seriously and not to think you are just following partisan politics, you will admit this is not something new, and equally deplore the NSA, CIA, Clinton, Carter, etc,...doing the same thing, and without even the pretext of war.

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Message 122 of 220 (272156)
12-23-2005 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Theodoric
12-23-2005 11:13 AM


Re: War or No, Bush has too much power
If something had come out like is coming out now, I would have been strongly against.
Somehow I doubt that since it did come out. Besides independent news media like WorldNetDaily running with the Echelon story for years, eventually even Blather and company ran with it.
I didn't see too many liberal democrats caring about back then though.

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Message 124 of 220 (272346)
12-24-2005 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Silent H
12-23-2005 5:11 PM


Re: War or No, Bush has too much power
Holmes I am accusing the story of containing a *** , not you.

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Message 128 of 220 (273109)
12-27-2005 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Theodoric
12-24-2005 1:54 PM


Re: War or No, Bush has too much power
theodric, your "explanation" is thoroughly unsubstantiated and frankly plain wrong. Echelon is and was used to eavesdrop all the time, and yes, on communications all over the world.

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Message 129 of 220 (273111)
12-27-2005 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Theus
12-27-2005 12:22 AM


Re: time of war
the problem is we don't really know if the war on terrorism is that serious or not.....there are reports in US News and World Report of feds searching for nukes in Mosques in DC, and in such a manner to suggest thye believe there is a nuclear or radiological weapon in DC of some sort.
Now, maybe this is a hoax, but if an nuclear blast goes off in an American city, what will you say then? Probably that BUsh let down on the job.

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Message 131 of 220 (273113)
12-27-2005 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by arachnophilia
12-27-2005 1:58 AM


Re: time of war
this administration has never been that good with words and rhetoric

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Message 138 of 220 (273232)
12-27-2005 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Theodoric
12-27-2005 10:54 AM


Re: War or No, Bush has too much power
Theodric, the fact you consider "spin" delivered in Congress so that we would not be sued by EU members that were ticked off Echelon was used for corporate spying is all we need to know about your stance here. Sorry, but I am not buying "your facts."

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Message 139 of 220 (273234)
12-27-2005 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Theodoric
12-27-2005 10:57 AM


Re: time of war
Do you know that? No, you don't. You hate Bush so much you are not willing to look at the facts, but instead wish to engage in partisan sniping.

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