Nature and the fall of man

Perfect systems exist only in mathematics and in the imagination.

Interesting how mathematics and the imagination are all that continue to reflect the (pre-Fall) Original Perfection then.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-27-2005 04:42 PM

The "(pre-Fall) Original Perfection" is imagination.

This bit of absolute dogma you know by divine revelation perhaps?This message has been edited by Faith, 12-27-2005 04:41 PM

"Perfect" is our word. We say something is perfect when it matches some ideal that we have. We know, from experience, that the physical world could not ever match our ideals, so could not be perfect.It is not up to us to dictate to God what He should consider perfect.

Hmm. You edited that. The earlier version, to which I had replied in Message 50 was:

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This you know by divine revelation perhaps?

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This message has been edited by Faith, 12-27-2005 04:36 PM

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As of this moment, it reads:

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This bit of absolute dogma you know by divine revelation perhaps?

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This message has been edited by Faith, 12-27-2005 04:41 PM

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I wonder what it will say the next time I look.

Do you believe with jar that the system is perfect, just not the products of the system, or with robinrohan that that's a logical non sequitur? Or course not. He Himself is the only perfection. His Creation was once perfect too, however, until the Fall. But some think that this broken world is REALLY perfect as is, disease, death and all. It's all Nature to the nature-worshipers. I gather at least you don't believe that.

Sorry, I do have a habit of rethinking my posts, and don't always put in the "ABE" signal that I've done so. But the idea is the same, simply more pithily worded I hope.But I don't want to take this thread from robinrohan. He was doing a very entertaining job of dealing with his opponents.

No. As I suggested in Message 46, perfection cannot be found in the real world.

Please continue. I'm tired.

You're right, I should have left you to argue with jar and not intervened.

There's nothing wrong with editing. I was just a little amused by your insertion of "absolute dogma". That's the kind of wording I am likely to delete when I rethink a post.

So what's your position? In this context, you can choose Faith's position or Jar's.

Evolution works very well, but it is not perfect.Jar is a little unrealistic in crediting perfection. But he is not nearly as unrealistic as Faith.

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Mankind didn't create the plague.

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I didn't say they did, but their lifestyle at the time, gave it food to grow. Natural disasters happened before mankind's time and during mankind's time. Sometimes they affect a few creatures, sometimes all creatures.It has nothing to do with man's behavior. It is just the way the world works. If he didn't stop them before mankind, why stop them after?Natural disasters are part of living on this planet. Gotta take the good with the bad.Just because we think we are more important than anything else on the planet, doesn't mean we are.

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There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton