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Topic: Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God?
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robinrohan
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Re: Reconciling contradictions in scripture
Your post appears to been picked at random. He's not answering posts, but making proclamations.
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 6.9
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Re: Reconciling contradictions in scripture
I believe you're right, robin. I dislike being a random victim of nonsense--it should at least be relevant nonsense.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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double standards
Are people basically arguing that the old testament carries less weight and should not be given the same stature as the newer books? only when you don't count the OTHER books newer than the nt. that's the double standard here. the new testament is revised revelation, but the qu'ran and the bom aren't. now, i have some scholarly reasons for rejecting the bom, but it's really off topic here. the qu'ran i have not read, so i can't make a judgement on.
2. Let's say Jews worship a different god.... That means that the christian god was never worshipped before 2000 years ago or did not even exist before 2000 years ago. well, the view faith was espousing here was that the jews were worshipping the christian god until jesus showed up, and then they fell by the wayside, and christians worshipped the christian god. the jews are now worshipping something else. did i get that right faith?
3. Jews used to worship god but now they don't even though they are worshipping him the same way they always have. This doesn't even make sense to me, so I'll probably throw this one out. see above. that's why i keep checking with faith. apparently, god changed (even though he doesn't) and the jews didn't keep up.
If jews and christians aren't worshipping the same god (albeit in different ways) then I don't see how the old testament is not bunk. yeah, well that's the other thing. one thing at a time.
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 229 of 299 (273585)
12-28-2005 4:42 PM
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The press analogy
If I was famous and a reporter interviewed me and I replied with "I believe the theory of evolution is the best explanation we have that describes how life has changed on earth over time." Three papers run the story, The independent: ...Mod believes that the ToE is the best explanation we have for it. The Sun: Mod, a die hard supporter of the ToE... The News of the World: Mod is a well known God hater and is frequently heard dispensing vitriolic attacks on our Lord the divine baby Jesus Each of these profit driven papers were inspired by the same Mod, but only one of them reported it right. I find it peculiar that one argument being used here is "But Jesus said such and such which means the others aren't inspired by the same God". If we assume Jesus did say that, and that he was God made flesh...how does that mean that the same God didn't inspire the other faiths and the prophet didn't understand the message, or those that recorded the message (wrote it down) did so incorrectly. So far I've not seen anyone manage to succesfully argue that they are not inspired by the same God, only manage to put forward the rather obvious argument that only one of the faiths can be right.
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Theus
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Message 230 of 299 (273591)
12-28-2005 5:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 229 by Modulous
12-28-2005 4:42 PM
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Re: The press analogy
Oh Modulous, with facts you can prove something that is even REMOTELY true!
Those that can make you believe absurdaties can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire
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nwr
Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 4.5
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Message 231 of 299 (273600)
12-28-2005 5:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Faith
12-27-2005 5:45 PM
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Re: No way the three religions worship the same God
Faith writes: THINKING you are worshiping the true God but not doing it according to His will is not worshiping God at all, but engaging in idolatry.
This seems to miss the point. As I read the OP, it was not about whether these religions worship the same God. It was about whether they are inspired by the same God. So okay, maybe you can construe the meaning of "worship" such that you can convince yourself that the muslims do not worship the God that Christians recognize. But what is your argument that their source of inspiration was not the same God as that of Christians and Jews?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 232 of 299 (273617)
12-28-2005 6:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 231 by nwr
12-28-2005 5:41 PM
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Re: No way the three religions worship the same God
As I read the OP, it was not about whether these religions worship the same God. It was about whether they are inspired by the same God. touche.
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Buzsaw
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Message 233 of 299 (273649)
12-28-2005 7:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 215 by jar
12-28-2005 12:28 AM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
jar writes: How many God's are there buz? Wrong question. The thread question is: Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God? 1. We know that both prophets/messiahs were monotheistic, Muhammed becoming monotheistic after he founded Islam. 2. We know that they both claimed inspiration from their respective gods. 3. We know that they had diametrical ideologies concerning violence and concerning whether Jesus was the son of his god. 4. We know that Muhammed's pre-Islamic god, Allah was worshipped as one of the scores of pagan gods worshipped at Mecca. Conclusion: Go figure. Their gods are too dissimilar to to be one and the same god indicating that they were not inspired by one and the same god.
From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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Asgara
Member (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: 05-10-2003
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Message 234 of 299 (273653)
12-28-2005 7:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 233 by Buzsaw
12-28-2005 7:04 PM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
So buz, if they were inspired by different gods...that means there are more than one?
Asgara "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now"
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 235 of 299 (273654)
12-28-2005 7:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 233 by Buzsaw
12-28-2005 7:04 PM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
You're not answering the question buz. Still a few questions outstanding. How many Gods are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Iblis
Member (Idle past 3923 days) Posts: 663 Joined: 11-17-2005
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Message 236 of 299 (273661)
12-28-2005 7:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 214 by Buzsaw
12-28-2005 12:26 AM
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Re: where do we draw the line
Thanks, I appreciate you trying to help me understand this better. If I am understanding you correctly, then this next bit may help to clear away the etymology questions. First let me shuffle the cards around again (spot the red lady) Jove - Classical mythology - Jupiter, Zeus - same name as "Jehovah" and some of the same attibutes and stories, fond of virgins, begets gods on them, drowns everyone but Deucalion, gives Pandora to Epimetheus Ea - Sumerian mythology - Enki, Iao - same name as "Yahweh" and some of the same attributes and stories, creates man from clay, rescues Utnapishtim from the flood in an ark, father of Marduk the savior / dragonslayer El - Canaanite mythology - Enlil, Allah - same name as "Elohim" and some of the same attributes and stories, uncle or grandpa (or both) of Baal, father of Shaher (Morning) and then by her of Athtar (Lucifer) who gets caught sitting on Baal's throne and gets cast down from heaven All the wrong god rather than just the wrong worship?
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Buzsaw
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Message 237 of 299 (273671)
12-28-2005 8:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 235 by jar
12-28-2005 7:07 PM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
jar writes: You're not answering the question buz. Still a few questions outstanding. How many Gods are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac? Start your own thread if you want more than I've answered. You're leading off topic here. Somebody needs to moderate you, Jar.
From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 238 of 299 (273672)
12-28-2005 8:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 237 by Buzsaw
12-28-2005 8:09 PM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
Not off topic at all buz. In fact, those questions go to the heart of the subject. So answer them or, as you usually do, run away. How many GODs are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 239 of 299 (273674)
12-28-2005 8:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 234 by Asgara
12-28-2005 7:06 PM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
Asgara writes: So buz, if they were inspired by different gods...that means there are more than one? We all know that there are literally thousands of alleged gods in human cultures as perceived by the respective adherants of them. We monotheists believe in one god. Both Muslims and Christians are considered monotheistic. This thread is not about which god or gods are truly gods or how many gods there may be. It is about whether the respective gods of Jesus and Muhammed could be one and the same god, based on the inspiration each allegedly received from their respective alleged gods. Once we can determine the answer to this, someone may want to move on to do their own thread to discuss some of these other matters. Savvy, madear?
From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 240 of 299 (273678)
12-28-2005 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 239 by Buzsaw
12-28-2005 8:29 PM
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Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
How many GODs are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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