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Author | Topic: General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution | |||||||||||||||||||||||
AdminJar Inactive Member |
IMHO the best procedure in this case, as valuable as the content of the messages might be (and I think both messages were very good, very important, is to remove that content.
The nature of a Great Debate is meant to be a limited discussion betwen two individuals. Additional input, no matter how good, no matter how much it adds to the content, is not appropriate. However, in this case a moderator has already stepped in and made a decision and Mark24 has responded and said he would not post further. I would let this one stand as is.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
As I was doing my previous message, AdminNWR has deleted the content of the cited message 24. I agree with your message 16, and with AdminNWR's action.
As I type this, there is still the non content deleted message 22 by Mark24 at that "Great Debate" topic. I had not previously noticed it. I guess its content should also be deleted, but I will leave that to AdminNWR. Adminnemooseus
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AdminNWR Inactive Member |
In the past I have, without hesitation, given such messages the "content deleted" treatment. In the above cited situation, however, I feel I must be more tolerant to Mark24, he being the long and distinguished forum member he is.
In this case I left the first of the mark24 posts untouched, since Carico had already responded. For the second, the content is mostly still there, visible via "Peek", but masked to not display.
The big question: How should we handle "Great Debate" intrusions by non-designated members?
In general, I think the contents should be deleted or masked. Maybe we need a dB code to make it easy to mask contents.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
While I wasn't offended by Mark's input, I think that the content deleted solution is probably the best one.
If someone has input for the debate, they should feel free to email the parties involved, or, as was done in another debate, start a peanut gallery thread.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5216 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
AdminNWR,
n this case I left the first of the mark24 posts untouched, since Carico had already responded. For the second, the content is mostly still there, visible via "Peek", but masked to not display. I didn't realise this, & in which case there is no harm done. I'll just repost in the thread that I wanted Carico to respond in. My real objection was that, although I was as a "point of law" in the wrong, that my work & the time it took to write it was gone. Given that this isn't the case, I have no objection. Also, I could have sworn that it wasn't a great debate when I checked earlier, I just looked & it is, so I'm doubly wrong & need new glasses. Mark This message has been edited by mark24, 12-27-2005 02:11 PM There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
My real objection was that, although I was as a "point of law" in the wrong, that my work & the time it took to write it was gone. It was a nice message in the well defined wrong place. You had to be shot. Sorry about that. Adminnemooseus
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Carico Inactive Member |
What difference does it make if someone is a designated or non-designated member if he is speaking the truth? Isn't a desire for the truth the most important factor here? Or do people not know what the truth is and have to rely on the status of a member to tell them what it is? Thank you.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Or do people not know what the truth is You got it, Carico.
and have to rely on the status of a member to tell them what it is? I do rely on other members to tell me the truth. The only problem is they tell me different things. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 12-28-2005 09:13 AM
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AdminNWR Inactive Member |
What difference does it make if someone is a designated or non-designated member if he is speaking the truth?
It is about following rules, as is required for orderly debates. In The Great Debate, discussion is specifically limited to the designated participants. The problem with mark24's post was that he should not have posted anything in that thread. It is supposed to be a thread for only you and nuggin. This message has been edited by AdminNWR, 12-28-2005 09:21 AM To comment on moderation procedures or respond to admin messages:
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Will a neutral moderator please take a look at the problem I'm having with member/admin Jar in my Faith and Belief thread dealing with the respective gods of the prophets Jesus and Muhammed? Jar persists in repeating his question, "How many gods are there." The question has been answered to the extent that it pertains to the thread. I have requested that if Jar wishes to discuss his topic further he needs to open his own thread, but he persists in denying my request. His topic has been discussed before and can get involved to the extent that it would draw my thread off topic. Thanks.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I absolutely resoundingly second, support and endorse Buz's request. Jar's contributions to that thread are nothing but nuisance posts that have been answered dozens of times already.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
I'm sure I do not qualify in your eyes as a neutral mod, but the questions seem spot on topic to me. If you are discussing whether or not various people worship/are inspired by different gods you would first have to establish how many gods there are.
But again, i'm sure I am not qualified to answer this question. AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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AdminBen Inactive Member |
buz,
First, I wanted to say I do appreciate that you're trying to do the right things, to find appropriate ways to deal with things that you feel are inappropriate. I took a look through the OP and later posts that seemed relevant. Seems the problem is simply that jar is asking questions without giving a reason behind them, and you don't see how they're relevant to the thread. I think the most simple solution would simply be, ask jar how his questions are relevant to the thread. Both of your behaviors is a little bit strange to me; you could have asked jar why he thought the questions were relevant, and jar could have explained the relevance without your overt question, when he saw that it wasn't obvious to you why they were relevant. To summarize, I don't think there's any need for moderator action; a simple question to jar about the relevance of the questions seems like a straightforward solution. AbE: Looks like Jar explained his thinking process here. I do wish everybody here (jar included) would get in the habit of asking people why they think certain questions / comments are on topic, and explaining why questions / comments seem off-topic, rather than making a bare statement that something is "off-topic." Without the comments, it's often not obvious why something is declared to be off-topic, and it just looks like dodging the issues. I'll look at bringing this to greater attention if the trouble persists. This message has been edited by AdminBen, Wednesday, 2005/12/28 08:00 PM Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We KNOW why he is asking the questions. Please see my last post on that thread.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
because he wants answers. christ's sake just answer him so he'll shut up.
even i'll agree he's reaching at straws but we can't prove it until you give him the ammo that he'll turn into blanks. you look weak by ignoring him. just answer him. This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-29-2005 12:17 AM
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