Man raised back to life in Jesus' name

good point...but you can't always get what you want..

very good post....it's amazing how many Christians have experiences miracles.....once a guy called for prayer, and he really seemed like he was dying. He had that deep rattle, and he was snowed in, and so we prayed for him, and about 10 minutes later the guy called kind of freaking out saying he had been completely healed and just couldn't believe it. I talked with the guy later after the weather cleared, and he said it all just cleared up in just a few minutes. Not the greatest miracle, but your story reminded me of it.I've been sick and asked Christian friends and elders in church for prayer too and have gotten healed.It's amazing, but you are right, I think, that it's no use trying to prove it.

Shraf, you don't like the way God does things. Talk with him about it.The fact is if you look in the Bible and today, there are certain types of meetings with anointing levels high enough and faith and many things, where miraculous healings occur.Jesus walked in that anointing from the time he went on his 40-day fast until the end of his ministry, but he did not end world suffering, hunger, all disease, etc,...If you are present, believing, and seeking a miraculous healing when the power of the Lord is present to heal, you might could receive just about any healing. So at the meetings I am referring to, many things like cancer, etc,...were healed, but I mentioned the teeth because I think that would be hard to fake and might be more convincing to a skeptic, but your response is one reason I have learned not to waste time trying to prove such miracles. Thousands upon thousands occur every single year in Christian assemblies all over the world. You choose not to believe, and choose to say hateful things about the Lord who does those healings. That's your perogative, but it does not help you to hold such a stance.

Shraf, the simple fact is I saw the before and after, and have witnessed so many miracles in different meetings, and received some myself, that from my perspective, debating it with you is like a man trying to tell someone in a primitive state that an airplane is not a big bird or some such.I suppose you haven't been there, haven't seen, and so you ridicule what you do not understand.

Brian, you guys just ridicule what you do not understand. If you want to maintain that stance, that's your decision, but don't pretend it's out of education and knowledge.

Shraf, if you don't know by now, I pretty much scan your posts, and if long, don't read most of them. I did not read this post past the beginning of it. They have been filled with so much nonsense and absurdly inappropiate attitudes, I just skip them.As far as this particular miracle, I have noted it on more than one occasion so there are different people and different times involved, some where I was present, and sometimes when I was not but spoke with the people involved, including the person receiving the miracle.You can probably find something on the web concerning it if you want to.I have learned though it is foolish to try to prove and provide documentation of miracles which I used to try to do, because no matter what you provide, people like you will not believe if you do not want to. Heck, I had one person claim that, well, sometimes teeth grow back on their own.So if you do not wish to believe, that is your business. It's not up to me to prove it to you.

I understand your skepticism, and that as always, there will be counterfeits to the real thing. All I can tell you is the truth on this matter. How you treat that is up to you.

The contrast is given for a reason. You see it as opposed pictures, but in reality there are different sides to the same coin, so to speak. It would be hard to convince someone that a coin can have 2 sides or more than 2 sides in the case with God if one believes and has been taught that something cannot have 2 sides. Only be taking on a different perspective can the person thinking a coin only has one side see that 2 completely different "sides" can be true at the same time.In order to see from a spiritual perspective and grasp what I am talking about, it takes faith. Unfortunately, if you only believe faith is make-believe, sort of like the man living in the cave disbelieving the guy that reports the light outside, you just cannot see it, and so it seems illogical.In fact, if you come out of the cave when it is dark, you might be misled into thinking the light does not exist, but it does. You are angry and upset because you see someone advocating that something is true that cannot possinly be true from your perspective.I understand that,but it does not change the reality here at all. Some truths are hard to perceive from certain perspectives.

First, I never claim the story is sufficient for scientific evidence. Secondly, I do think it is perfectly reasonable to believe the woman's testimony. Then again, in my life's experience, such miraculous things are not uncommon.One point in posting this story is to counter the commonly stated belief that miracles are not happening today as in the Bible times. In fact, more miracles seem to be happening today, but of course, just as in the Bible, some will doubt and choose to think somehow people are deluded or lying and whatever. Imo, from what I have seen, some people do fake or misunderstand things but plenty of real miracles occur quite often.

Of course, Egypt being a Moslem nation is particularly eager to reaffirm Christianity.

Although I absolutely abhor the Catholic heirarchy and the whole papal system, I believe there is some genuine spirituality within the believers in the Roman Catholic church. Sometimes, I think the more Protestant churches have thrown out some genuine things and developed an unnecessary suspicion.I am hesitant to discuss too many personal experiences, but I know that early on in my faith walk, some teaching created an unnecessary, imo, suspicion about such spiritual experiences, some of which I experienced myself. Probably if I was a Catholic, I would say Mary had appeared once to me, but just thought at the time, this is an angel. But because the teaching of the church I was in at the time dismissed the concept of a female angel, I wondered if the enemy had counterfeited something. As I have grown older, I believe very much that was false teaching and the angel or perhaps even Mary was of God. I sometimes wonder if my skeptical response in wondering if it could be an error stopped some of the more closer communion from occuring in fact.

Shraf, with all due respect, I am not desperate to see a miracle, and in our lives, my wife and I, such miracles are not uncommon. I know you don't buy that, but you have to understand I am not talking about something I have read or seen on the internet but real things that have occurred in my own life and the life of those around me, and yes, at times, instances of friends and acquaintances serving the Lord overseas which in some instances has even more dramatic miracles.A recent example is a group from our church was in India working with a number of orphanages our church and others sponsor. There was a blind man in one village with his eyes not just blind, but messed up in other ways as well. God completely healed the man when a group from our church prayed for him. I personally know the people that were there and have talked with them about it.There were other miracles as well. The blind man literally praised and worshipped God all night long. They say it wasn't just his sight restored, but he had new eyes. You can say, well, I think they are exaggerating or something, but really, such miracles are not all that uncommon.That doesn't mean Christians that believe can just walk into the hospitals and heal everyone, and sometimes God works miracles in response to prayer even when the person or people praying need a miracle themselves, and don't receive it.That's how it was in the Bible, and that's how it is today.I don't know where you live, and I am not going to provide someone's personal info, but I will say there are churches probably around you with such things occuring, and if not, not too far away. I attend a Vineyard church, which in some respects is not my favorite denomination, but if you were to look up some Vineyard churches, and go and talk with them, you could probably find some answers for what you are looking for.Then again, the Vineyard near you may be different, as congregations differ, but I still suspect it would be beneficial for you to investigate a little further for yourself and talk with people with direct experience. If you have a good attitude, people will probably be willing to share with you.This message has been edited by randman, 01-03-2006 10:41 AM

Wrong. You believe that, but in fact, miracles have often been medically documented, but honestly Ned, you guys prove my point. It is useless to argue with someone that does not want to believe.It's not something you are prepared to accept and so you will assume someone must be mistaken, etc,...

I pointed her in the right direction so she could meet with people and see "documentation" there. Imo, it is a waste of time documentating miracles for those that don't want to believe. Unless they make some effort on their own to search for the truth, then trying to do that for them, in my experience, is not so fruitful.If you have a problem with that, then so be it.

Ned, why don't you give Rich Oliver (mentioned below) a call, and see if he will provide his dentists' number since he was willing to go public already. THEY GO FOR THE GOLD - Gold Dust and Gold Teeth Filling Miracles Claimed in Charismatic Churches: Updatessome more from that article