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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 302 (274217)
12-30-2005 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by AdminBen
12-30-2005 12:12 PM


Re: Moderation Request
Ben writes:
See, the thing is, I can't really tell. I can barely understand the subject matter, because I'm not versed in the Bible at all. I have a hard time understanding jar's hard line, whether it's on topic or not, and whether your refusals to answer his questions are valid or not. I can't tell.
.................... Your refusals can be right on, they can be missing the point, they can be stubborn. I can't tell, because I don't really know the subject.
It seems to me that all you need do is read the topic title and OP to make a jusgement as to topic, regardless of whether you're a student of the Bible or not. You're an intelligent person, Ben and it seems to me that making a judgement on this should not be all that complicated.
My impression of the admin response here is that it's business as usual here with the admins biased against Biblical fundamentalists. admin Jar gets a free pass, as usual, so jar will keep on making trouble. Don't forget, I'm not alone in this assessment. Faith has fully concurred with my observation.

From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 302 (274221)
12-30-2005 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by AdminNWR
12-30-2005 1:52 PM


Re: On "The Same God" thread
nwr writes:
In support of their position, buzsaw and Faith presented an argument that would probably resonate with a narrow evangelical audience, but which would be seen by most Christians and most scholars as missing the point entirely.
Nwr, are you not aware that over half of Chrristians and scholars are evangelicals? Their views are generally more Biblically fundamental as opposed to liberal, meaning that they stick closer to the Biblical fundamentals. Faith and I were debating from that perspective as should be expected of us. It's not so much as the positions taken by Jar and often by Arachnophilia, but their behavior. It was my thread, but they wanted to run the show with their agenda which was often borderline to off topic. My repeated requests for them to move to topic center were repeatedly bulligerantly ignored.
nwr writes:
The miscommunication between the two sides was annoying. But I find it difficult to fault jar for defending the commonly accepted view, particularly when no persuasive arguments were presented for the alternative position. And I cannot see any basis for considering jar's participation to be off-topic.
Come on! "No persuasive arguments were presented?" Nwr, you know whose side you were on and you also know full well as an admin that "persuasive arguments" is often relative to one's ideological perspective.
nwr writes:
My analysis here will likely be considered biased by some of the participants.
Most assuredly!

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AdminNWR
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Message 48 of 302 (274227)
12-30-2005 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
12-30-2005 2:23 PM


Re: On "The Same God" thread
This shouldn't be a debate thread, so I won't comment on most of what buzsaw wrote. But I do want to comment on one point.
buzsaw writes:
and you also know full well as an admin that "persuasive arguments" is often relative to one's ideological perspective.
Sorry, buzsaw, but that is wrong. If anything, "persuasive" is relative to those you are trying to persuade. This is a broad forum, so arguments should appeal to its broad audience.


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Nuggin
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Message 49 of 302 (274234)
12-30-2005 2:59 PM


Pls Boot Herepton
This kind of comment has no place on the boards:
Why the Admins have not booted your stupid ass to Boot Camp is beyond me
Please remove him

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AdminNosy
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Message 50 of 302 (274239)
12-30-2005 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Nuggin
12-30-2005 2:59 PM


Re: Pls Boot Herepton
That "kind" of comments occurs in various forms all the time. It is the sum total of his posts that makes this one-- loaded with that kind of thing -- the straw on the camels back.
I was way ahead of you. I did forget to post to the suspensions thread (it's been awhile since I did that). I might also forget to undo the suspension but I'm sure someone will notice that he's missing eventually (it is the holidays after all ).

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Faith 
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Message 51 of 302 (274246)
12-30-2005 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by AdminNWR
12-30-2005 2:39 PM


Re: On "The Same God" thread
In support of their position, buzsaw and Faith presented an argument that would probably resonate with a narrow evangelical audience, but which would be seen by most Christians and most scholars as missing the point entirely.
OK, as you say this isn't a debate thread but I apparently missed this comment in your earlier post and I have to agree with Buz that you are totally off the mark. EvC is full of oddball beliefs that people identify as Christian, but out in the real world the vast majority of Christians that I run into share MY beliefs. There is nothing narrow about them. I have to say that jar's beliefs are absolutely unique in my experience and I've done a lot of reading in Liberal Christian and all kinds of Christian cults. Where do you get the idea that he represents any sizeable number of supposed Christians? Arachnophilia appears to be a one-man theology unto himself. Perhaps he'll eventually gather a few followers and found a cult of his own.
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AdminNWR
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Message 52 of 302 (274250)
12-30-2005 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
12-30-2005 4:15 PM


Re: On "The Same God" thread
OK, as you say this isn't a debate thread but I apparently missed this comment in your earlier post and I have to agree with Buz that you are totally off the mark.
Just a clarification. Commenting on moderator action (or inaction) is appropriate here. Your post is on-topic, except for that remark about arachnophilia.
If I were to debate some of your comments, I would risk taking it off-topic.


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Faith 
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Message 53 of 302 (274252)
12-30-2005 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by AdminNWR
12-30-2005 4:35 PM


Re: On "The Same God" thread
The remark about arachnophilia should have been modified to make the more on-topic point that, like jar, his views are far from representative of Christian belief, to the point of being unique, and yet he will take up huge amounts of thread space arguing and demanding answers to his completely offbeat point of view and persist no matter what you say in response. Moderation is needed in this case too.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 54 of 302 (274253)
12-30-2005 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Adminnemooseus
12-21-2005 3:52 PM


moderation
Hey adminmoose (your name is too long for me to type!)
I appreciate your feedback on the threads. I of course want to follow good form here and it's nice to have some gentle nudging when needed.
I am just posting a thanks to the "gentle" hand of the mods I've seen so far.
Cheers

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 55 of 302 (274287)
12-30-2005 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
12-30-2005 11:09 AM


Re: ok, but no double standards now.
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arachnophilia
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Message 56 of 302 (274290)
12-30-2005 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
12-30-2005 11:09 AM


Re: ok, but no double standards now.

This is not a debate thread. Do not respond to this message.

It's not just Faith. I and her both have shown that Jehovah is the proper modern English rendering of the Hebrew tetragamaton.
how's complicating the issue now with irrelevancy, buz? the issue is not the NAME, but the fact that it's not found in new testament, which was the boundary you set for the debate.
As for the OT in that thread, the difference is that Faith referred to it briefly whereas you and others were pretty much basing your argument on it in your earlier attempts to establish your arguments.
it was one of faith's main points, that they didn't have the same name. the name is not mentioned in the new testament. period. it's a blatant double standard to forbid a source when it's used against you, but allow it when it's used for you.
if you want to debate what the name is, again, start a thread and i will continue to explain it to you, ad nauseum, until you understand that no modern academic english translation uses the form you seem to like, and why.
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arachnophilia
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Message 57 of 302 (274293)
12-30-2005 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
12-30-2005 4:15 PM


Re: On "The Same God" thread

This is not a gebate thread. Please do not respond to this message,

EvC is full of oddball beliefs that people identify as Christian
yes, faith, and you are one of them. please remember that if one expects respects for their beliefs, they should be ready to respect others too, without the help of a moderator.
calling people cultist and idolators isn't the way to go. and yes, i know most of the people you run into share your beliefs. most people who go to an art museum like art, too.
Where do you get the idea that he represents any sizeable number of supposed Christians?
the same way you get the idea that you represent a sizeable number of christians, minus the bits about not counting certain types of belief. look, people here are bound to disagree on stuff, including how to believe. but trashing peoples' faith as somehow not legit or cultish, or idolatrous is just insulting.
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AdminJar
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Message 58 of 302 (274294)
12-30-2005 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by arachnophilia
12-30-2005 9:53 PM


Stop the off topic posts
This is not a debate thread. Do not respond to messages except to comment on moderation procedures.
Thank you.

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    macaroniandcheese 
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    Message 59 of 302 (274323)
    12-31-2005 1:59 AM


    oooh promote ditka's topic on all religions (after you fix the spelling) i think it would be a great read. i've actually been thinking about it myself for a while... maybe someday do a paper or something on it.

    macaroniandcheese 
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    Message 60 of 302 (274426)
    12-31-2005 2:53 PM


    really though ben, i kept it civil. i was thoughtful... it could have been much worse. but i'm right. she always does it. we yell at people like faith for doing it but it's okay when schraf does it? come on. she got all uppity and tired of dealing with the topic and so names his arguments as a waste of her time. if it's such a waste of her time why is she on the board? the whole thing is a huge waste of time... that's debate and the theory of the leisure class. but she gets to randomly decide that certain people with good arguments are wasting her time and not get called on it.
    and it's not just her. it's a lot of people.

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