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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
There are tribes that do a lot of things of that nature such as firewalking and probably drinking various potions. Dude, you can firewalk in your backyard. There's nothing magic or supernatural about it. Hot coals are a poor conductor of heat.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Why wouldn't you heal people by laying your hands on them? That's something that all of Jesus' followers are able to do so that all people can see how powerful your religion is. It's part of what Jesus' followers are supposed to do to spread the religion. The same goes for drinking poison without harm. ...that is, if you take the Bible as literally true, like you said you did. I mean, where do you think those Christian TV faith healers get the idea that laying their hands upon someone could heal that person's gall bladder cancer? Where do you think those Charismatics got the idea they should be playing with poisonous snakes during their Sunday services? Tell me how you would read the following passage. Remember, you said that if the bible said there were flying dogs, that you would believe it:
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. quote: Do you mean "tribes" like "Chrisitan sects"? Like the ones who "speak in tongues", handle poisonous snakes, and perform so-called "faith healings" on national TV?
quote: According to the Bible, one only has to be a believer and you should be able to remain unharmed after drinking any deadly thing. It doesn't say you will "recover" or merely "survive". I thought you said you believed the Bible literally? It seems you have never read this part very closely.
quote: What do you mean? His will is quite clear to me in the passage above.
quote: But it is God's clear diretive that His followers, those who believe in Him, will be able to do these things, and are, in fact, required to do these things as signs that God is with them and to impress potential converts that this new religion was the real one.
quote: But the bible very clearly says that believers will be able to do these things. It doesn't say "some believers", or "a few". It just says that all people will be able to identify these believers by various signs. Are you not a believer, or is the Bible wrong?
quote: What's ambiguous about that passage? It seems that in a straightforward, literal reading of it that any believer should be able to drink any deadly thing without harm, and also be able to heal the sick by laying hands upon them. Are you telling me that God wouldn't approve of you healing the sick, that it would be "tempting" him to help those in pain?
quote: Look, I don't think that you have to be afraid of healing somebody. It's a power that all of you believers are supposed to have. ...that is, if you take the Bible literally.
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nator Member (Idle past 2195 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5859 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
I guess that counts me out then. I don't really feel that my life or that of anyone else has any objective meaning whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't mean that I want it to end or that I don't respect it in others. It is just that IMO "meaning" is a meaningless concept. It is just the product of uncaring physics and chemistry. Everything that we see, hear, feel and see is just a bunch of meaningless chemical reactions (which science can quite easily measure). Purple, I somewhat agree... However, I would say that the only "meaning" that an individual's life has is that which we create for ourselves. We have brains/minds for a reason right? I think your intelligence can provide an individual their own meaning. Of course that means that there is technically no "universal" meaning of life. Only that which we create for ourselves.
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
Hi Mini-Dikta
I think you expressed that very well.The only meaning that there can be to anything is that which we, as individuals, place on it. I don't see any way that there can be any "universal meaning of life"
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Ben! Member (Idle past 1424 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: |
universal meaning of life Seems to me, "meaning" derives from "purpose" which derives from "intention" or "conscious perception." So the question of meaning seems to have to do with conscious observers and actors. Since we don't have a real good test for consciousness, then what consciousnesses exist is a matter of faith. I guess what I'm getting at is that "meaning" falls out directly from a world view. No universal world view, no universal meaning. Although I would vehemently disagree with anybody who would claim that meaning is established intellectually. You can search for meaning intellectually, but I've yet to meet somebody who intentionally learned to find meaning in a task because they intellectually thought it was the right thing. Ben
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Science is the study of the physical world. One cannot know of anything that is of importance within the realm of science. Meaning, true purpose, it all comes in the realm of spirituality, God, the search for truth. Socrates said it best when he discussed what he thought was truly important in life.
Not that Science is bad thing, but it is largely unimportant in what is truth in life, and in what comes after life.
quote: Because as much as what surrouds us can speak to us at times, what really matters exists within ourselves. The measurment and calculation of this earth is not what life is about. Nwr will tell me that it is subjective, but one cannot be a relativist, there lies in life, absolute truth. And these truths exist in the pursuit of God. Read the book "Demian" by Herman Hesse. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: "The world is illusory, Brahma alone is real." The hindus have said that this physical realm is an illusion, that traps mankind into believing that it is what is true. These seemingly "tell-tale" signs that you have seen and observered telling you that God doesn't exist is part of this trap, or illusion. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Science is the study of the physical world. One cannot know of anything that is of importance within the realm of science. Meaning, true purpose, it all comes in the realm of spirituality, God, the search for truth. Socrates said it best when he discussed what he thought was truly important in life. The physical world brings you food to eat, water to drink, air to breath. How long do you think you would last if you instead relied on the spiritual world for those?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
"Those" do not pertain to my destiny.
"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
"Those" do not pertain to my destiny.
That is where you are seriously mistaken. Food, drink, breathing are central to your destiny. If you were suffering from thirst, had pangs of hunger, and if it were a struggle for you to get your next breath of air, you would find it almost impossible to even think about spirituality. It is only because you have the fortune to be well fed and have your other basic physiological needs satisfied that you are even able to think of spiritual things.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
There are those who wander the earth seeking truth who desire not food or water, I forget their name, but they are in the book Siddhartha, may be fictional, but I am sure there does exist people of the same nature. They attempt to lose all of their desires, but they always end up begging someone for something to eat, or drink after long periods of fasting.
The point is clear. I think that spirituality is of more importance to mankind, then is even survival. But sir, you need survival to think. I know, but those who starve know God. You are right though, I am lucky. I know that though. I was born here. I try to take advatage of it. But I know that if I was in a tribal land, I would still find God, the soul's satisfaction is main priority, not satisfaction of the body. "The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
if it were a struggle for you to get your next breath of air, you would find it almost impossible to even think about spirituality. I gotta disagree. It's often those in the worst shape that are the most spiritual. I suspect that even the hardest skin atheist has 2nd thoughts while fighting for his last breath.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
if it were a struggle for you to get your next breath of air, you would find it almost impossible to even think about spirituality. I gotta disagree. It's often those in the worst shape that are the most spiritual. I suspect that even the hardest skin atheist has 2nd thoughts while fighting for his last breath.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
haha double poster.
"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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