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Message 106 of 112 (274556)
01-01-2006 1:46 AM
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01-01-2006 1:39 AM


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The topics are not chat lines.

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nwr
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Message 107 of 112 (274559)
01-01-2006 2:08 AM
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01-01-2006 12:46 AM


Re: The physical world
When I challenge some of your posts, I am not trying to talk you out of a spiritual life. The way you lead your life has to be your choice, and is not for me to object.

What troubles me about some of your posts, is that you seem to be lacking perspective. My challenging of your posts is in the hope that you will develop a better perspective.

I readily admit that I might be misjudging you.

Are you are aware that Mother Theresa, with her deep spiritual committment, nevertheless has a crisis of faith? That may happen to you too, so I hope you will have the perspective that allows you to deal with it.


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nwr
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Message 108 of 112 (274561)
01-01-2006 2:14 AM
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12-31-2005 7:06 PM


Nwr will tell me that it is subjective, but one cannot be a relativist, there lies in life, absolute truth.

I have suggested that truth is a human invention. That's not the same as relativism.

If there is a convenient library, you might want to spend some time looking through the philosophy section to see what is written about truth. You might find that it is all circular. The tendency is to define truth as correspondence to the facts. But then facts are likely to be defined as true statements. Before you commit yourself to a search for absolute truth, it might be wise to investigate whether there is such a thing.


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Message 109 of 112 (275392)
01-03-2006 3:45 PM
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01-01-2006 2:08 AM


Re: The physical world
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What troubles me about some of your posts, is that you seem to be lacking perspective. My challenging of your posts is in the hope that you will develop a better perspective.

What is a better perspective?

What exactly do you mean?


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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Message 110 of 112 (275394)
01-03-2006 3:50 PM
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01-01-2006 2:14 AM


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Before you commit yourself to a search for absolute truth, it might be wise to investigate whether there is such a thing.

Absolute truth may be beyond mankind, but I do feel that it exists. The "Right" choice exists. As humans we try in our everyday lives to choose what is the best thing to do, the best way to respond. We are all reaching to find what is absolutely true, what is absolutely right. I feel that the only way to know these things, is beyond us, and through God. Truth can be looked at as subjective, but that muddles the mind, making anything and everything relative to an individual. One starts to believe that it is impossible to know what truth is, rather it is all human speculation, and religion, philosophy, it all is attempts by different equally right people to grasp what is absolute truth. There in eternity exists truth.

I guess God holds it. Maybe this is what Nirvana is all about.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh
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nwr
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Message 111 of 112 (275502)
01-03-2006 8:57 PM
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01-03-2006 3:45 PM


Re: The physical world
What is a better perspective?

What exactly do you mean?


I'm not sure if you saw Message 145, and my response to it. The message quotes Dawkins, where he gives his mechanistic view of existence. I think that's where you get your idea that life is meaningless to a scientist. Well, maybe it is meaningless to Dawkins, although I doubt it. I disagree with Dawkins, as I indicated in Message 146.
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nwr
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Message 112 of 112 (275507)
01-03-2006 9:08 PM
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01-03-2006 3:50 PM


Absolute truth may be beyond mankind, but I do feel that it exists.

Don't you think you should go on more than feelings?

The "Right" choice exists.

Does it? How can you be sure? Some choices don't much matter, with none more "right" than another.

We are all reaching to find what is absolutely true, what is absolutely right.

I'm not. We can live successful lives without having to waste it searching for an imagined "absolute truth."

Truth can be looked at as subjective, but that muddles the mind, making anything and everything relative to an individual.

There are subjective truths, just as their are objective truths. Your message - the one to which I am responding - contains several subjective truths, for they are based on your own feelings.

At some time in the future you will have a crisis in faith. Are you prepared to handle it?


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