Intelligent tree growth

Agreed..... however, this is completely against what fundamentalists belive.I think it's perfectly fine to say, "I think Jesus was the son of god, but even if he wasn't, his teachings are what is really important"What is the utility in using religion to try and deny reality?

Sounds reasonable... although it's bad news for a lot of x-tians

Just to reply (even though it's off-topic)... those definitely aren't the type of x-tians I was talking about. (and I know you aren't either Jar from reading many of your posts)...but back on topic: I believe that utility is very important for science....It goes back to a key point: Science is not about belief. New anti-biotics will work on you whether you believe in evolution or not. We can still grow genetically engineered crops whether you believe in evolution or not. etc.