Did Jesus do anything original?

What was so special about Jesus, conceding for a moment that he did exist and the words and deeds attributed to him by whoever wrote the gospels are actually true?Did he do or say anything original?------------------
Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!http://www.lyingforgod.org[This message has been edited by Brian Johnston, 12-16-2002]

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Originally posted by zipzip:
Are you joking? If we take what you say as givens, he:

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1) Fulfilled several thousand years of prophecy
2) Was born of a virgin birth
3) Taught reverse social order, where king is servant
4) Actually was God and participated in creation of the universe
5) Had supernatural powers including miraculous healing powers
6) Died for your sins
7) Rose from the dead having conquered the power of sin and death
8) Appeared to all his followers many times following his resurrection
9) Is seated at the right hand of the throne of God

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C'mon.

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Hi zipzip,Thanks for taking the time to reply.The question was did Jesus do or say anything ORIGINAL?The examples you provided are not original to Jesus, they have all been claimed by other Gods, or their followers, long before Jesus was born as a man.1. Many Greek myths tell of fulfilled prophecies, or one from the Old testament, such as Jael proves that Jesus wasn't the first person to fulfill a prophecy.2. Virgin births are ten a penny pre-jesus, Buddha, Attis and Tammuz are other examples, I think even Alexander the Great was credited with a virgin birth as well.3. This was taught by gautama Buddha 600 years before anyone knew anything about Jesus.4. This is a basic claim by many Gods, 3000 years before Jesus came to earth the Hindus claimed that Brahman created the universe.5. Much the same as answer to 4, these are basic attributes of Gods. Krishna performed many miracles. for example, one night when there was a full moon full moon sixteen hundred gopis assembled, and the miracle of Krishna was performed when he appeared as a separate Krishna to each gopi, and all of them danced with their beloved Lord at one and the same time.6. Again saviour Gods are ten a penny pre-Jesus days, read the stories of Osiris, Dionysius, Bel, and Mithra.7. There are numerous stories of resurrected Gods, Mithra is an example of this again 400 years before Jesus claimed it. Even Pythagoras was believed to have risen from the dead.8. All resurrected gods claim this, Krisna is still appearing to his follwers in the avatar of Sai Baba (not all his followers claim this though).9. This is also claimed by a much earlier source, the Hindu Trinity (Bramah, Shiva and Vishnu, all one God in three forms)goes back thousands of years before Christ.So we are really looking at Jesus copying things that other people or gods done long before him.There must be something original somewhere in his life surely!
Then again maybe not.Best Wishes.Brian.------------------
Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing![This message has been edited by Brian Johnston, 12-18-2002]

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Originally posted by zipzip:
The basis of your question was if the Gospels were in fact true, what did Jesus do that was original.

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If the Gospels are true, Jesus really did all these things in actual fact, unlike myth -- that is original and I stand by my post.

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The point I am making is this.We didnt know that Jesus had done any of these things until he claimed them 2000 years ago. However, ALL these claims had been made before, long before Jesus was born on Earth as a man. He still didn't do or say anything that hadnt been said or done before. Jesus didnt come up with some mind blowing ideas, man had already thought them all up long before Jesus revealed himself to mankind.SO the FACTS remainJesus was NOT the first person to fulfill a prophecy.
Jesus was NOT the first virgin birth
Jesus was NOT the first person to teach reverse social order
Jesus was NOT the first person to claim to be God and participate in the creation of the universe.
Jesus was not the first person to have supernatural and healing powers
Jesus was not the first 'Saviour' God
Jesus was not the first person to rise from the dead
Jesus was not the first person to appear after his death to his followers.
Jesus is not the first person to claim to be sat at God's right hand.All these have been claimed earlier by many many faiths, whether Jesus actually did these things is neither here nor there, the fact remains he did not come up with any original ideas.Look at it this way, if you asked anyone in Palestine 3000 years ago who created the universe you would have got many different answers and Jesus would NOT have been one of them. It was only after he was born that people knew about him and the NT has nothing in it (re Jesus) that hasnt been said and done before------------------
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