Did Jesus do anything original?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:
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Originally posted by zipzip:
Are you joking? If we take what you say as givens, he:

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1) Fulfilled several thousand years of prophecy

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Hmm, there are several prophecies that are said to have been fulfilled by Jesus, but such prophecies didn't exist in the OT.

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* Matthew claims that Jesus' birth in Bethlehem fulfils the prophecy in Micah 5:2. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

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* "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb's second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chr.2:18, 2:50-52, 4:4).

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* The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did.

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It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make the verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan. 2:5-6

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* "He shall be called a Nazarene." Matthew claims this was a fulfillment of prophecy, yet such a prophecy is not found anywhere in the Old Testament. 2:23

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* Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. 16:28

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* This verse claims that Jesus fulfils the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9. But this cannot be since the person referred to in Zechariah (see verses 10-13) was both a military leader and the king of an earthly kingdom. 21:4

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* Jesus predicts the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners. 23:36

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* Verse 33 says that during Jesus' crucifixion, the soldiers didn't break his legs because he was already dead. Verse 36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy.

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* Jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of John. 21:22

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Oh come on shraf!! You're just quibbling Isn't it obvious that Jesus, being God, fulfills anything he wants?------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Jesus being the Son of God didn't do anything he wanted, he only did the will of the Father.

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One and the same, Funk. Come on man!! The Trinity and all.....

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As to the original question, to my knowledge Jesus was the only one to enter into this world with a heavenly host.

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Not so my grace filled buddy. Countless mythologies describe their Gods the same way.------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Jesus was very much a man when he was on earth, God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted. He did the will of the Father not of the flesh.

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Yeah, kinda makes the Trinity idea a bit screwy doesn't it?Funk, man, you edited your post and left out that part where you admitted that.... Well, we know don't we ------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Oh busted! I decided it was not something I will "admit". Couldn't argue it any further without offending others.

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But confession is good for the soul....

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I don't see how it makes the trinity screwy. So Jesus came in the flesh, fully, and did the will of the Father. How does this mess up the doctrine of the trinity? Right from Genesis God is refered to as "we".

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Do you know the history of the trinity by any chance? Despite the rumors, it is doubtful that this doctrine was held by the early church-- meaning those living in the first, say, 150-300, years. There was a lot of bickering from the time of the Gospels until about 400BC, when church leaders decided it was fact. No webpage found at provided URL: http://home.rmci.net/cbolton/TRIN.HTMNo webpage found at provided URL: http://www.islandnet.com/~bible/trinityhistory.htm------------------
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Originally posted by zipzip:
The basis of your question was if the Gospels were in fact true, what did Jesus do that was original.

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If the Gospels are true, Jesus really did all these things in actual fact, unlike myth -- that is original and I stand by my post.

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If..... you argument is "IF...." ?If the Gospels were not true, then Jesus didn't really do all these things. Ooops! Stalemate.------------------
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Originally posted by shilohproject:
John, et al,
For you, would the action/statement have to be "original" to be important, or could the context of a tried-and-true expression make it valuable and meaningful in a way that sets it apart from any previous example?-Shiloh

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A statement wouldn't have to be original to be important. It would have to be original to set the religion apart from all others in a meaningful way.------------------
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Originally posted by shilohproject:
It is the commonalities of the faithful that give us the best chance to see the nature God, regardless of their "religion," denomination, place of worship, where they face during prayer, how they see infant baptism or communion or prayer rags or poverty, etc.

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Religion is certainly a repository of culture, philosophy, and other similar things. As such, studying and comparing religions is a useful endeavor.------------------
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