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Message 76 of 128 (276381)
01-06-2006 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Buzsaw
01-06-2006 12:14 PM


Re: Corroborating Evidence Of Exodus Found
Buz you may want to look at the date of the post you are replying to.
Ned wrote that message over two years ago. Jackie brought back a two year old thread in December. While this is fine, I suggest that those replying check the dates of messages and read the entire thread first. It isn't that long.

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    Jackie
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    Message 77 of 128 (276416)
    01-06-2006 1:42 PM
    Reply to: Message 74 by PaulK
    01-06-2006 11:28 AM


    Archaeology is only really useful in dealing with cases like the Book of Mormon - where the writer is relying heavily on imagination for even basic issues that archaeology can more easily address
    OH.

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    Message 78 of 128 (276418)
    01-06-2006 1:48 PM
    Reply to: Message 77 by Jackie
    01-06-2006 1:42 PM


    Some hints on quoting
    Hi Jackie.
    When you are quoting from another message, it helps if you can make the quoted text stand out in a way that is different from your own text.
    Many of us use:
    [qs]text to be quoted[/qs]
    which shows up as
    text to be quoted
    The "qs" stands for "quote shaded".
    You can also click on the "Peek" button for another post to see how particular effects were achieved.

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    Buzsaw
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    Message 79 of 128 (276508)
    01-06-2006 7:48 PM
    Reply to: Message 71 by AdminJar
    12-26-2005 6:59 PM


    Re: Not a way to debate
    jar writes:
    Please edit your post to explain the significance, if any, of the material. You can provide links to your sources but do not just cut & paste the material.
    I don't mean to contend with your action here, Jar, but Jackie has done such a thourough job of researching and digging up all this interesting and relative data to topic that I would request you make this an exception, allowing it stand as posted. It's all going in my documents for future reference and I'm sure others would appreciate it as well.
    I haven't yet logged in on the links, but it appears that Jackie has selected significant statements from the links cited. It may be time consuming for readers to readily find the complete data that she has selected.

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    Buzsaw
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    Message 80 of 128 (276509)
    01-06-2006 7:52 PM
    Reply to: Message 76 by AdminAsgara
    01-06-2006 12:21 PM


    Re: Corroborating Evidence Of Exodus Found
    Thanks Asgara. Yes, for sure, I should have checked out the date of Ned's post.

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    Buzsaw
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    Message 81 of 128 (276514)
    01-06-2006 8:26 PM
    Reply to: Message 74 by PaulK
    01-06-2006 11:28 AM


    PaulK writes:
    I would say the phrasing of the conclusion in itslef betrays a strong bias. ............
    Archaeology is only really useful in dealing with cases like the Book of Mormon - where the writer is relying heavily on imagination for even basic issues that archaeology can more easily address.
    Your own bias is showing, Paul. Jackie asked if you'd like to respond to some of her cited usefulness of archeology in some areas that have been contested and that are important. It would be interesting to see your response to some of them, given your statement above.
    How does archeology address the Mormon BOM? I assume you mean there's no archeological data to confirm it. Is that correct?

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    jar
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    Message 82 of 128 (276515)
    01-06-2006 8:34 PM
    Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
    01-06-2006 8:26 PM


    Archaeology is very important.
    For example, the main reason we know for a fact that the Biblical description of the conquest of Canaan is wrong is archaeology. We can read the letters remaining from the period and area, we can see that Egypt was still in control except for a few of the most northern city states. There is no indication of any invading army, any Hebrews. We also know that many of the cities mentioned as being large walled towns were not even ocuppied and other were but villages at the time.

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    Buzsaw
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    Message 83 of 128 (276529)
    01-06-2006 9:39 PM
    Reply to: Message 82 by jar
    01-06-2006 8:34 PM


    Re: Archaeology is very important.
    jar writes:
    For example, the main reason we know for a fact that the Biblical description of the conquest of Canaan is wrong is archaeology. We can read the letters remaining from the period and area, we can see that Egypt was still in control except for a few of the most northern city states. There is no indication of any invading army, any Hebrews. We also know that many of the cities mentioned as being large walled towns were not even ocuppied and other were but villages at the time.
    Nothing is written in stone here. All the pieces to the puzzle are not in place yet. Archeology has also produced the corroborating evidence of the Exodus, with evidence of the chariot wheels of Pharoahs army at the sandbar at Nuweiba Beach along with the other corroborating evidence of the region. As I stated above, the archeological positives of the Exodus top the negatives, imo.

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    jar
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    Message 84 of 128 (276534)
    01-06-2006 9:54 PM
    Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
    01-06-2006 9:39 PM


    Re: Archaeology is very important.
    Buz, that's not archaeology. Neither the wheel or the beach has been surveyed or confirmed by ANY archaeologists.
    When some of the assertions are confirmed by independant peer review, bring the evidence here. We'd love to be shown wrong.
    We've been over this many, many times in the past, most recently in Message 1, Message 1 and Message 1. So far no one has stepped up with ANY archaeological evidence whatsoever.
    Nope, so far there is NO evidence whatsoever that there was ever an Exodus as described in the Bible and there is overwhelming evidence that the Conquest of Canaan as descibed in the Bible simply never happened.

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    Buzsaw
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    Message 85 of 128 (276552)
    01-06-2006 10:53 PM
    Reply to: Message 84 by jar
    01-06-2006 9:54 PM


    Re: Archaeology is very important.
    jar writes:
    Buz, that's not archaeology. Neither the wheel or the beach has been surveyed or confirmed by ANY archaeologists.
    Archeology = the study and science of ancient people and cultures.
    Archeologist = students of and specialists in archeology.
    Jar, I do most of my own auto repair, but I am not a specialist in auto repair as a profession. Whether I am the mechanic doing it or have a specialist do it, it gets repaired and automobile repairing is being done. I am doing auto mechanics. I recently rebuilt my own EGR tube on a late model Ford van which was unavailable anywhere, including Ford. The professional mechanic could not repair it! The same goes with archeology. Anyone studying or doing scientific research on ancient people and cultures are practicing archeology.
    jar writes:
    When some of the assertions are confirmed by independant peer review, bring the evidence here. We'd love to be shown wrong.
    1. It was from Biblical information that led the pioneers to the discovery of the Nuweiba crossing and to the corroborating evidence of the crossing.
    2. No secularist archeologists or peer reviews were interested because most of them, like you, regard the Bible as myth.
    jar writes:
    We've been over this many, many times in the past, most recently in Message 1 (Thread "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO), Message 1 (Thread "The Exodus Revealed" Video II) and Message 1 (Thread Exodus Revealed (Part 2)). So far no one has stepped up with ANY archaeological evidence whatsoever.
    Says the skeptic who's likely neither seen the video or read the book and who has no viable answer as to those photographed evidences all corroborating one another.
    Btw, me friend, do you think all of Jackies above linked data is also moot in regard to lending evidence to the respective Biblical accounts?

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    Buzsaw
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    Message 86 of 128 (276553)
    01-06-2006 10:59 PM
    Reply to: Message 77 by Jackie
    01-06-2006 1:42 PM


    Welcome, Jackie!
    Thanks much, Jackie for blessing us with the stuff you've researched and linked us up to. It's a superb job and a keeper for future reference. We need people like you here, so I hope you will hang out here and join us the debates and discussion.

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    Brian
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    Message 87 of 128 (276631)
    01-07-2006 4:56 AM
    Reply to: Message 75 by Buzsaw
    01-06-2006 12:14 PM


    Re: Corroborating Evidence Of Exodus Found
    Is there an open Exodus thread?
    You could always open one and include in the OP all the wonderful corroborating positives that no one else knows about.
    This message has been edited by Brian, 01-07-2006 04:07 PM

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    Message 88 of 128 (276632)
    01-07-2006 4:59 AM
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    01-06-2006 10:59 PM


    Re: Welcome, Jackie!
    I'm afraid Jackie's research isn't that good. Or she'd have spotted the fact that the Jehoash inscription has been exposed as a fake.

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    jar
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    Message 89 of 128 (276660)
    01-07-2006 11:59 AM
    Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
    01-06-2006 10:53 PM


    Re: Archaeology is very important.
    Btw, me friend, do you think all of Jackies above linked data is also moot in regard to lending evidence to the respective Biblical accounts?
    No, I would not say worthless. However they add NO support to the theology of the Bible at all. They are valuable. For example, the cites she has related to Jericho prove that the Biblical account is incorrect. No one said, as her messages implied, that there was no interaction between Edom and the Hebrews, what folk said was that there was no evidence of Hebrew-Edomite connections.
    In Jackie's links, there could well be very valuable references to archaeological discoveries.
    Says the skeptic who's likely neither seen the video or read the book and who has no viable answer as to those photographed evidences all corroborating one another.
    Yes, as I have said before, I have seen the video. And it is certainly not persuasive. In addition, I have commented here many, many times on the alleged photographic evidence. Most of it has been obviouosly doctored or misinterpreted. For example, the alleged guard shack is not a guard shack at all (gate does not corresponde with the door, there are no observation windows in the structure), the pictures of the wheels have been "enhanced", the glyphs are common throughout the area and date to a period approxiamtely 2000 years before the alleged Exodus, the altar is not an altar, the alleged calves are not calves, there are also phallic symbols, hunting scenes and other critters mixed in, the so called "Egyptian Style Bull Glyph" is a doctored picture of two separate glyphs where the producers smuged out the phallic symbol.
    Sorry buz but the video is simply a fraud.

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 90 of 128 (276676)
    01-07-2006 1:36 PM
    Reply to: Message 73 by Jackie
    01-06-2006 10:56 AM


    JERUSALEM - Discovery of an ancient village just outside Jerusalem has brought into question one of the strongest images of biblical times ” the wholesale flight of Jews running for their lives after the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
    umm, that's not in the bible. i mean, jesus may have prophecied about the destruction of the temple (though most read it as metaphorical of the new covenant), but 70 ad is well after his earthly lifetime. there might have been some biblical authorship going on at the time, but they don't seem to mention the destruction of the temple -- everything's set 40 years prior.
    i mean, it's very interesting 1st century ad archaeology.

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