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nator
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Message 220 of 300 (277095)
01-08-2006 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-07-2006 11:04 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
I'm talking about a child receiving a heart transplant from another child -- and the child who received the transplant starting to have nightmares about a man killing her -- and the girl having such vivid dreams that her parents look into the situation only to find that the original organ donor was indeed murdered -- and the child having such vivid dreams that she is able to identify the killer of the original donor in a police line-up -- and get the murderer convicted and put into jail based on the testimony of the child who received the heart transplant.
Yeah, I saw that movie too.

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nator
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Message 221 of 300 (277096)
01-08-2006 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by macaroniandcheese
01-07-2006 11:28 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
but i have had dreams about buildings that i've never seen
How can you be 100% sure that you've never seen them, even in a photograph?
We already know that your memory isn't 100% perfect, just like everyone else's.
quote:
but i later find out to be real.
But are they exactly the same in every single detail, or only vaguely similar? Unless you immediately drew a detailed picture of the building in your dream upon waking and then compared it with the actual building, how do you know you aren't just filling in details that weren't really in the memory of your dreamed building? Perhaps they are all from the same era or by the same architect and your mind finds a few similar details, then "poof", your memory is altered and now the buidings are, in your mind, "the same".
A memory of something in a dream. You don't get much more amorphous and easily altered than that.
quote:
they tend to be in locations where i have ancestors.
"Tend" to be?
Does this occur at a rate greater than chance would predict?
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nator
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Message 222 of 300 (277098)
01-08-2006 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-07-2006 11:36 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
It remains, however, very possible for a "soul" to exist in purely naturalistic terms -- it's just relegated to the "realm of the supernatural" because we can't explain it yet.
Define "soul".

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nator
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Message 223 of 300 (277099)
01-08-2006 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by macaroniandcheese
01-07-2006 11:37 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
apparently there's some unaccountable 21 grams lost at death.
Sorry, that's an urban myth.
FACT CHECK: Weight of the Soul

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nator
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Message 224 of 300 (277100)
01-08-2006 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by randman
01-07-2006 11:48 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
But if our mind and imagination consist of more than our brain
That's a big "if."
So far, there is no rational reason to accept that anything more than the brain is needed to account for human behavior.

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nator
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Message 225 of 300 (277101)
01-08-2006 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-08-2006 12:26 AM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
Actually, some neurologists would disagree with you on this.
Sure.
But how many neuroscientists would disagree?

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nator
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Message 227 of 300 (277103)
01-08-2006 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Ben!
01-08-2006 1:01 AM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
Ugh, you're going to make me go try and dig up those "home experiments" where you modify your perception of the extent of your body to include parts of your desk, or a fake rubber hand, and thus are able to FEEL touches to parts of your body as emanating from those inanimate objects.
I've done the rubber hand one.
It works. It's VERY wierd.

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nator
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Message 228 of 300 (277106)
01-08-2006 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by NosyNed
01-08-2006 9:47 AM


Re: Experts
Doctors as a group, including neurologists, are pretty notorious among scientists for often being quite unscientific in their thinking. (MD/PhD's excluded)
In the same way I would be more apt to pay heed to what a neurologist has to say about brains compared to what a naturopath has to say, I am more interested in what a neuroscientist has to say about brains than a neurologist.

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Message 250 of 300 (277202)
01-08-2006 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by macaroniandcheese
01-08-2006 1:03 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
quote:
oh go away.
LOL!

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nator
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Message 253 of 300 (277331)
01-08-2006 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by macaroniandcheese
01-08-2006 8:12 PM


Re: Ghost limbs
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it did not seem to me that she was discussing it, but rather harassing me for an unrelated topic.
Let me explain why I think it was relevant. You were giving an example of something that you thought gave credence to various "miraculous" or "supernatural" ideas discussed in this thread. I was not "harassing" you, but pointing out reasons your example was not very compelling. I do understand that my thoroughness can be offputting, but I simply can't agree that it was irrelevant.

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nator
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Message 277 of 300 (277489)
01-09-2006 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-09-2006 8:58 AM


Re: What does this explain?
quote:
because children are a gift from God regardless of whether the people receiving the child believes in God or not.
Was this child a gift from God?
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nator
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Message 284 of 300 (277710)
01-10-2006 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-09-2006 10:49 PM


Re: What does this explain?
Well, what if that "gift" killed it's mother when it came out?
It couldn't have been too blessed, because it died at a very early age, didn't it?
Oh, and it most certainly is a real skeleton.
Tell me, do you think that babies born without a brain are "gifts from God?"
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