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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Pathiakis, who quit his job after school officials questioned his extracurricular contact with students, was arrested in January 2004 after a 15-year-old boy told authorities the Middleboro High School teacher raped him Dec. 23, 2003. Massacusetts Superior Court Chief Justice Suzanne Delvecchio Prosecutors asked Brockton Superior Court Judge Suzanne V. Delvecchio to give Pathiakis four to eight years in state prison, followed by five years probation. But she issued a suspended, 2 1/2-year jail term, followed by five years probation. Delvecchio, the first woman to be appointed chief justice of the Massachusetts Superior Court, was honored in 2000 as the keynote speaker at the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Bar Association's annual dinner. Page not found - WND Note: the sex was consensual, but the boy was 15. Some questions: 1. Is there a double-standard as some female teachers have been more severely prosecuted for sex with their teen students? 2. Is the judge, being gay, not being objective, and should she have recused herself considering her pro-homosexual activities, even if just for appearance's sake? 3. Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time? 4. Is lighter sentencing in this area a move towards accepting homosexual sex between teens and adults? Historically, in some areas of the world, such as with the pashas in Afghanistan, homosexual sex between teens and adults has been somewhat socially accepted and at times widespread. Is it a fantasy for conservative outlets like WND to decry this as a general move, or an accurate reflection of where society is heading in normalizing homosexuality. This message has been edited by randman, 01-19-2006 05:21 PM
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
So what are you expecting? That we will jump to conclusions based on a brief news report, without being privy to all of the evidence considered by the judge?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
2. Is the judge, being gay, not being objective, and should she have recused herself considering her pro-homosexual activities, even if just for appearance's sake? Do you have any evidence that the judge is:a) Homosexual b) Engaged in pro-homosexual activities? Yes she was the keynote speaker at the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Bar Association's annual dinner in 2000, but that doens't mean she's gay. My father was the keynote speaker at a recent Holocaust memorial, and he's neither Jewish nor a Holocaust survivor. The article you supplied does not provide any support to your claim that she is a Homosexual. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
But you are right that she may not be homosexual. That's a mistake on my part. I don't think it really matters in context here. Her stance towards "gay rights" in advocating gay marriage, etc,...is pretty clear. So the question remains if openly advocating for gay rights could be perceived as prejudicial. I am not saying she is or not, but just raising an interesting issue since this is so politicized and she is not the first judge to recently hand down probation for gay sex with teens.
This message has been edited by randman, 01-19-2006 10:00 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think it really matters in context here. Her stance towards "human rights" in advocating gay marriage, etc,...is pretty clear. So the question remains if openly advocating for human rights could be perceived as prejudicial.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The Chief Justice of the Superior Court, Suzanne DelVecchio, has championed homosexual marriage for years. The Superior Court is the state's trial court, where the "Goodridge" case began and ended. Justice DelVecchio appeared at the Lesbian & Gay Bar Association the year after Marshall did, on May 5, 2000. This was just after Vermont approved civil unions. "They're all shepherds up there," she told the audience of several hundred lawyers and judges. "They quarry some granite. A stone is what they export. Their product is ice cream and stone. And Vermont recognizes same-sex couples. And here we are in Massachusetts. Would you please? It's embarrassing. Could we get with the program a little bit? The only way gays and lesbians in this state are going to achieve what has been achieved in Vermont is to stay who you are [i.e. be proud of your homosexuality], apply for the [important] jobs and demand to be seated at the table." Noting that it would be an uphill struggle, DelVecchio said: "Nothing is easy. Do you think getting my hair this color is easy?" Attorney Mary Bonauto was also at that dinner listening to Judge DelVecchio speak. Bonauto was applauded for her work in Vermont and she presented an award to the two Vermont lawyers who had helped win civil unions in that state earlier in the year. Bonauto would file her gay marriage case in DelVecchio's Superior Court a year later. Page not found - Mass News It looks too cozy to me. She is tight with the crowd that files a case in her court, and does not recuse herself even though she also openly advocates that the law be changed to reflect a definition of marriage between individuals and not a man and a woman. She and the legal team bringing the suit to change the law are all essentially in the same group. One wonders if they planned their legal strategy. Is that how judges are suppossed to behave?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It looks too cozy to me. Yup, we know that. But when has a concern for human rights and against oppression been wrong? In addition to being a issue totally unrelated to the case in question, her support of human rights as opposed to oppression is something that ALL Christians should applaud. We need more folk on the bench supporting human rights. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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berberry Inactive Member |
and the young boy had been a girl. All other facts being the same, should the judge have recused herself? After all, you don't have to go all the way to Afghanistan to find acceptance of heterosexuality between adults and children. You have only to go so far as New Mexico and Colorado.
So what about it, randman? Should pro-heterosexual judges recuse themselves in cases where a heterosexual man rapes a little girl?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
She is tight with the crowd that files a case in her court, and does not recuse herself even though she also openly advocates that the law be changed to reflect a definition of marriage between individuals and not a man and a woman. I don't see the conflict of interest. It wasn't a case about gay marriage; it was a case about statutory rape. But the "victim" was very nearly the age of consent, and there may have been other mitigating factors as well. You're looking at a relatively light sentence for sex that was rape only in the stautory sense, and trying to grasp at a straw to "prove" the judge had a conflict of interest, but the homosexual advocacy is a stretch, at the very least.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I don't see the conflict of interest. It wasn't a case about gay marriage I probably did not elaborate. She and another judge sat on cases about gay marriage with one of their friends that was at the same political rally. On this case, I think it's legitimate considering the political activities of this judge to consider if biasness or the appearance of biasness is not a real concern. But on a different note, it appears many here think that it really is no big deal for adult homosexuals to have sex with teens. Is that the case?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
It is a human right for adult men to be able to freely have sex with willing male teens?
Serious question, and one I think that is at the heart of the light sentence here.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
apples and oranges
Let me ask you something? Is it right and should it be legal for adult men to have sex with teen males if they are willing? serious question I think there is a sense among many that this is acceptable, and is one reason for some recent light sentencing in that regard, often lighter than what females have gotten for having sex with male teens.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Btw, you have strange concept of oppression.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
These types of situations all need to be dealt with the same way.
Any kid, be they a boy or a girl, do not have the maturity to deal with a sexual relationship with an adult that is at least five years older than them. All incidents should be treated seriously. IMHO, anyway.
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berberry Inactive Member |
randman writes me:
quote: Hell no it isn't! If the two situations are so entirely different, you should be able to explain how they are different. So cut the crap and explain.
quote: Is it right and should it be legal for adult men to have sex with teen females if they are willing?
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