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jar
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Message 16 of 112 (280132)
01-19-2006 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by randman
01-19-2006 10:42 PM


Trying to change the subject again I see.
Your OP questions whether or not a Judge who supports human rights and opposes oppression should recuse herself from a case involving possible criminal misconduct. I see no possible reason for such an action. We need more judges that support human rights, not fewer.


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Message 17 of 112 (280134)
01-19-2006 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by berberry
01-19-2006 10:50 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
The homosexual movement in political terms is all about normalizing homosexuality. The simple fact is, as I stated in my OP, that homosexual sex between adult men and teens has been standard fare among homosexuals for a very long time, not all, but something that at times has been very prominent, such as with the pashas in Afghanistan.

I think you can see my point on this thread. How many here are willing to say, yea, the guy deserves to serve time? Looks to me like there is a sense among some that such sexual activity ought to be legal and condoned, and I think considering the homosexual movement's history (teen pages having sex with adults in Barney Frank's home for example), this deserves serious consideration.

What do the pro-gay lobby really want normalized?

On the other hand, the issue with teen-age girls and adult men, and as I state in the OP, adult women and boys, seems to be pretty consistent in terms of society's reaction legally and so forth.

So answer the OP. Do you think someone the guy deserves timeZ? Do you think homosexual men ought to be able to have sex legally with teen-age boys?

It's a serious question.


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Message 18 of 112 (280135)
01-19-2006 10:58 PM
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01-19-2006 10:53 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
Jar, it's only human rights by your definition.

But will you answer the OP?

Does the guy deserve time or not?

Is it a human right to have sex with whomever is willing, or not?


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Message 19 of 112 (280138)
01-19-2006 11:07 PM
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01-19-2006 10:58 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
Whether or not the person deserves to serve time cannot be determined, and I have no opinion on that. As you were told, oh, around message 2 IIRC, we don't have sufficient information to make such a judgement.

And Gay Rights ARE Human Rights. Are you opposed to human rights?


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Message 20 of 112 (280140)
01-19-2006 11:10 PM
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01-19-2006 10:57 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
randman writes me:

quote:
The simple fact is, as I stated in my OP, that homosexual sex between adult men and teens has been standard fare among homosexuals for a very long time...

No it hasn't. You might be able to find where it has been in some remote societies, but like I said you only have to go right here to the United States to find adult men having sex with 12-year-old girls without any societal sanction.

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teen pages having sex with adults in Barney Frank's home for example

And straight men having sex with teenaged girls in their homes, like the case in Vermont that Bill O'Reilly is foaming at the mouth over. And by the way, this is a case that happened recently, not more than a decade ago.

quote:
What do the pro-gay lobby really want normalized?

You can't figure that out all by yourself? And you expect people to take you seriously?

quote:
Do you think homosexual men ought to be able to have sex legally with teen-age boys?

Do you think heterosexual men ought to be able to have sex legally with teen-age girls?

It's a serious question.


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Message 21 of 112 (280141)
01-19-2006 11:11 PM
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01-19-2006 11:07 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
Do you think adult homosexual men should legally be allowed to have sex with consensual male teens or not?

just answer the question

What should the penalty be, in general?

The OP is pretty clear and straightforward. You want to dodge it for obvious partisan reasons. It's clear to anyone with half a brain, and typical of you.


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Message 22 of 112 (280142)
01-19-2006 11:14 PM
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01-19-2006 11:10 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
like I said you only have to go right here to the United States to find adult men having sex with 12-year-old girls without any societal sanction.

You really believe that?

And straight men having sex with teenaged girls in their homes, like the case in Vermont that Bill O'Reilly is foaming at the mouth over. And by the way, this is a case that happened recently, not more than a decade ago.

Yea, and soceity takes a very hard view of that, but it seems the trend is to go light on homosexual offenders. Wonder why?

Do you think heterosexual men ought to be able to have sex legally with teen-age girls?

Obviously not.

Byw, I don't see too many hetero-versions of NAMBLA all tied into a prominent political movement. I think it's a legit question to ask pro-gay judges like this lady. Does she think it's not a seriosu crime for gay men to have sex with male teens? Is that something the gay lobby wants to normalize too?

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jar
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Message 23 of 112 (280143)
01-19-2006 11:17 PM
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01-19-2006 11:11 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
That may not be the dumbest post I've seen at EvC, but it certainly is a contender. How 'bout we parse it?

Do you think adult homosexual men should legally be allowed to have sex with consensual male teens or not?

Why, other than overt homophobia, did you insert the word "homosexual"?


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Message 24 of 112 (280144)
01-19-2006 11:17 PM
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01-19-2006 10:44 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
Is it right and should it be legal for adult men to have sex with teen males if they are willing?

The guy was found guilty.

The only person questioning whether it should be legal is you.


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Message 25 of 112 (280145)
01-19-2006 11:18 PM
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01-19-2006 11:17 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
You going to answer the question or keep dodging?

If you want to remove homosexual, fine. The point is the same. Only someone like you would see redundancy as something sinister here.


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Message 26 of 112 (280146)
01-19-2006 11:21 PM
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01-19-2006 11:17 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
He was also given probation.

Is that something you agree with or not? It's amazing to watch you guys squirm and fear giving a straight-up answer. I can respect someone's position I disagree with when they are honest and give a straight-up answer.

For example, on this issue, I think Holmes whom I disagree with would say, yea, it should be legal. i think he believes all consensual sex should be legal.

But trying to get some straight-up answers out of most of you guys is like pulling teeth. You guys are spinning and dodging and weaving so much, ...well, it speaks volumes.


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Message 27 of 112 (280147)
01-19-2006 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phat
01-19-2006 10:48 PM


Re: Wait a few years, teach!
Phat, thanks for the straight-up answer.
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Message 28 of 112 (280148)
01-19-2006 11:28 PM
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01-19-2006 11:18 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
Please point out the redundancy?

Here is your quote once again:

randman writes:

Do you think adult homosexual men should legally be allowed to have sex with consensual male teens or not?

You inserted the word homosexual. It would not matter if it were an adult male with a minor male, and adult male with a minor female, and adult female with a minor male or an adult female with a minor female.

The issue was one of sex between an adult and a minor, and the adult was found guilty.

Your insertion of homesexuality, and your absolutely absurd insertion of whether a judge who supports human rights should recuse herself from a case involving criminal behavior is simply an attempt by you to insert your own belief that some people do not deserve human rights.

The case was resolved.

Everyone deserves equal rights.

Your posts promoting oppresion of individuals are totally off topic and but a reflection of the bigotry of the Christian Conservative Movement.


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Message 29 of 112 (280149)
01-19-2006 11:32 PM
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01-19-2006 11:14 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
quote:
You really believe that?

Because it's true. Google "Colorado City" and you'll see what I'm talking about. So far, I've missed the Christian opposition to what's going on there.

quote:
Yea, and soceity takes a very hard view of that, but it seems the trend is to go light on homosexual offenders. Wonder why?

Looks to me like judges are going pretty light on heterosexual offenders. Watch O'Reilly's show if you don't believe me. He's all worked up about it and I don't think he's been covering much else lately.

quote:
Byw, I don't see too many hetero-versions of NAMBLA all tied into a prominent political movement.

What about the traditional mormons in Colorado City? They believe it's okay for adult men to rape 12-year-old girls (I think they have to marry them first, so maybe that's why fundie Christians don't seem to mind). They're tied to a prominent political movement known as Fundamentalist Christianity.

So what about them? It's a serious question.

quote:
Is that something the gay lobby wants to normalize too?

Oh? So you really can't figure that out all by yourself? You need help?

Tell you what: I'm not going to answer you outright because I want you to learn how to figure it out for yourself. One way you could do that is to research how gay rights are promoted by groups like GLAAD and the ACLU.

It's really not all that hard, randman. I think you can do it. Give it a try.


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Message 30 of 112 (280150)
01-19-2006 11:33 PM
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01-19-2006 11:28 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
Here is refresher on the OP for ya jar.

. Is there a double-standard as some female teachers have been more severely prosecuted for sex with their teen students?

You gonna answer the questions posed or keep dodging and weaving?

Btw, the term homosexual is redundant since the act is a homosexual sex. Some media outlets like WND have reported very light sentences for homosexual statuatory rape, and yet we have seen women with heterosexual sex with minors receive stiffer sentencing. When one of the judges is a partisan pro-gay lobby activist, I think it's legit to ask if her light sentencing has to do with her being a pro-gay activist or a judge just following the law.

That's what the OP and thread is about.

Are you going to engage the topic or keep dodging and weaving?


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