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randman 
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Message 31 of 112 (280151)
01-19-2006 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by berberry
01-19-2006 11:32 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
You have a very weird perspective if you think Christians condone and have not prosecuted polygamy and sex with minors.

What about the traditional mormons in Colorado City?

The Mormons were forced to disavow polygamy in order for Utah to be admitted to the union. You think the secularists were the ones insisting on that, and the Christians all favored polygamy? Get real man.

They believe it's okay for adult men to rape 12-year-old girls (I think they have to marry them first, so maybe that's why fundie Christians don't seem to mind).

Weirder by the minute. I hate to break it to you, but fundamentalist Christians tend to be somewhat harsh in their views of what should happen to men that rape little girls, but then again, you probably don't know the difference between a fundamentalist and a non-fundie Christian.

I'm not going to answer you outright

I pretty much figured you would continue to avoid answering the OP, and suspect you will not be censured for it by the mods either.

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jar
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Message 32 of 112 (280152)
01-19-2006 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by randman
01-19-2006 11:33 PM


Re: Trying to change the subject again I see.
Well, the thread is here for the important audience, the real audience, the readers. They will have a record and can make informed judgements on the techniques and motives of the partcipants.

You had an answer IIRC on Message 2 as to whether or not the judgement was reasonable. To repeat what has been said many times, we cannot judge based on a newspaper snippet, particularly from a source like WND.

You also persist in calling the judge pro-gay when that is certainly not the case. She has never supported gays having rights supperior to anyone else or some special status. What she does support is human rights, equal rights.

Do you support human rights randman?


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nwr
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Message 33 of 112 (280154)
01-19-2006 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by randman
01-19-2006 11:21 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
He was also given probation.

That was the judges decision.

Is that something you agree with or not?

I haven't seen the evidence presented at the trial. I have no basis for determining what should be the proper sentence in this case.

It's amazing to watch you guys squirm and fear giving a straight-up answer.

I haven't seen any sqirming.

I see some people, mostly scientists, who find that there is no evidence on which to base a conclusion.

I find one person, randman, jumping to conclusions based only on hearsay and innuendo.


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randman 
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Message 34 of 112 (280155)
01-19-2006 11:45 PM


for jar and others
Note the questions in the OP. Please address them. For example;

Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time?

jar, berberry, nwr,...what is your answer to this question? Please quit hiding behind claiming you don't know the specifics of this one case. The question is also whether "this type of thing deserves prison?"

Where do you stand?

Yes or no would suffice to start with.

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Message 35 of 112 (280156)
01-19-2006 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
01-19-2006 11:40 PM


answer the question jar
Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time?
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jar
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Message 36 of 112 (280157)
01-19-2006 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by randman
01-19-2006 11:48 PM


Please read what I write.
Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time?

See Message 2 and all the other times you've been told the same thing.

Now...

do you support human rights, randman?


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Message 37 of 112 (280158)
01-19-2006 11:55 PM
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01-19-2006 11:52 PM


Mods?
Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time?

Your response that you don't know the specifics of this one case is not germane to whether you think this type of thing, sex between adult men and teens, deserved prison.

So answer the question.

Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time?

do you support human rights, randman?

I do, but I do not think, as you apparently do, that it is necessarily a human right for gay men to have sex with male teens. I say "as you do" because I think the only logical conclusion for your reluctance to answer forthrightly is that you must think it is a human right.


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Message 38 of 112 (280159)
01-19-2006 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
01-19-2006 5:33 PM


u can start with answering basic questions
Does this type of thing deserve prison or jail-time?
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Message 39 of 112 (280160)
01-20-2006 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by randman
01-19-2006 11:56 PM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
See Message 2 and Message 33.

I will thank you to stop trying to smear people, merely because they refuse to jump to conclusions without evidence.


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Message 40 of 112 (280161)
01-20-2006 12:04 AM
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01-20-2006 12:02 AM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
It's a general question. Do you think statuatory rape between adult men and teen boys, say 15 years old, deserves prison or jail time?

Why won't you answer nwr?


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Message 41 of 112 (280162)
01-20-2006 12:09 AM


Tell you what guys....
Here is a story of another judge from a liberal state handing out a light sentence to a male, but one that was heterosexual. Maybe considering this could pry some comments other than obvious obfuscation from you.

Claiming he no longer believes in punishment, a Vermont judge issued a 60-day sentence to a man who confessed to repeatedly raping a girl over a four-year period, beginning when she was 7 years old.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48219

You think this should deserve prison time? Or that this type of thing deserves prison time?

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Message 42 of 112 (280163)
01-20-2006 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by randman
01-19-2006 11:55 PM


randman once again misrepresents what people say.
I do, but I do not think, as you apparently do, that it is necessarily a human right for gay men to have sex with male teens. I say "as you do" because I think the only logical conclusion for your reluctance to answer forthrightly is that you must think it is a human right.

Please point out where I have said that adults having sex with minors is a human right. If you cannot point out where I have said that, please retract your assertion and apologize.


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Message 43 of 112 (280164)
01-20-2006 12:22 AM
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01-20-2006 12:16 AM


Re: randman once again misrepresents what people say.
Uh, this is amazing. First you refuse to answer the questions in the OP, and now you want me to apologize. I explained that the only logical reason I could think of for you to not answer the question is that your answer would embarras you. You are the one here talking of human rights in the context of statuatory rape. If you don't feel it is a human right, then all you have to do is tell us what you do think.

But maybe you just feel like diverting threads and that is your motive.

Tell you what. Just tell us what your stance is, and if I have misjudged you, I will gladly retract or change my remarks and judgement, although I think my reason is valid.

So let's try again.

Do you think this sort of thing deserves prison or not?

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Message 44 of 112 (280165)
01-20-2006 12:27 AM
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01-20-2006 12:22 AM


Re: randman once again misrepresents what people say.
Waiting for you to either support your assertion or retract it and appologize.

randman, there is no excuse for your complete disregard for forum guidelines and even basic honesty.


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Message 45 of 112 (280166)
01-20-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by randman
01-20-2006 12:04 AM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
It's a general question. Do you think statuatory rape between adult men and teen boys, say 15 years old, deserves prison or jail time?

Why won't you answer nwr?


I answered, randman. See Message 2 and Message 33.

We ask judges and juries to make these decisions, based on evidence.

Maybe you would prefer a police state, with sentences handed out by computers. I prefer to stay with our present form of government.


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