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Author Topic:   Should this guy have served time?
nwr
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Message 2 of 112 (280067)
01-19-2006 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by randman
01-19-2006 5:20 PM


So what are you expecting? That we will jump to conclusions based on a brief news report, without being privy to all of the evidence considered by the judge?

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Message 24 of 112 (280144)
01-19-2006 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by randman
01-19-2006 10:44 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
Is it right and should it be legal for adult men to have sex with teen males if they are willing?
The guy was found guilty.
The only person questioning whether it should be legal is you.

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Message 33 of 112 (280154)
01-19-2006 11:42 PM
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01-19-2006 11:21 PM


Re: What if the judge was pro-heterosexual...
He was also given probation.
That was the judges decision.
Is that something you agree with or not?
I haven't seen the evidence presented at the trial. I have no basis for determining what should be the proper sentence in this case.
It's amazing to watch you guys squirm and fear giving a straight-up answer.
I haven't seen any sqirming.
I see some people, mostly scientists, who find that there is no evidence on which to base a conclusion.
I find one person, randman, jumping to conclusions based only on hearsay and innuendo.

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Message 39 of 112 (280160)
01-20-2006 12:02 AM
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01-19-2006 11:56 PM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
See Message 2 and Message 33.
I will thank you to stop trying to smear people, merely because they refuse to jump to conclusions without evidence.

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nwr
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Message 45 of 112 (280166)
01-20-2006 12:30 AM
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01-20-2006 12:04 AM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
It's a general question. Do you think statuatory rape between adult men and teen boys, say 15 years old, deserves prison or jail time?
Why won't you answer nwr?
I answered, randman. See Message 2 and Message 33.
We ask judges and juries to make these decisions, based on evidence.
Maybe you would prefer a police state, with sentences handed out by computers. I prefer to stay with our present form of government.

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nwr
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Message 55 of 112 (280177)
01-20-2006 1:03 AM
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01-20-2006 12:36 AM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
Can you please show where either of those posts answers whether you feel statuatory rape for adult homosexual men and teen-age boys should, in general or even sometimes, result in prison time?
The appropriate sentence will depend on circumstances. You can't make rigid rules. That's why courts have discretion in setting sentences.

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nwr
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Message 57 of 112 (280179)
01-20-2006 1:34 AM
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01-20-2006 1:09 AM


Re: u can start with answering basic questions
We never know all the specifics, period, from just reading the news, and heck, sometimes even the court never finds out all the specifics, and the specific facts that are made known are incomplete, but that doesn't mean we cannot discuss something or make a qualified judgment.
The court usually has enough to make a judgement. In these kinds of cases, a lot of evidence is witheld from the public.
Do you and others here as well think that, in general, consensual sex between a 15 year old boy and an adult homosexual should be punishable by prison? If you say it depends on the specifics, fine.
There is no such thing as "in general".
In the particular case, the guy lost his job, is on probation, is on a list of sexual predators. Whether that is enough, I cannot tell, due to lack of evidence.
I also asked if you thought the 60 day sentence for the man that molested the 7 year old was appropiate. Actually, it was over a 4 year period.
I don't know the circumstances there, either.
What's so hard about just answering and giving your views on such things?
I have answered and given my views. Unlike you, I don't jump to conclusions without evidence.

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