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Author Topic:   Biblical Long Term Solution To The Following Diseases
jar
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Message 3 of 111 (280379)
01-20-2006 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-20-2006 6:51 PM


This purpose of this thread is not to preach morality, but to examine the medical scientific aspects of these Biblical inhibitions relative to the above stated diseases of humanity, given that practitioners often advocate various abstinences in treatment and prevention of diseases.
IMHO it is simply yet another example of people reaching to find imaginary support for a weak and baseless faith.
Herpes and Hepatitis can also be transmitted by other means such as kissing. Aids can be transmitted through things such as contact with blood, IV, blood transfusion.
Furthermore, there were also many requirements in the Bible that we would consider today as incouraging promiscuity such as the mandate for the surviving brother to marry his brothers widow. Finally, abstinence is only a factor even in Christian or Judaic communities before marriage and so does nothing to limit transmittal after marriage.
Claiming this was some God given medical marvel is but reaching and imagination just like most Biblical prophecy.
There's nothing astounding about it.

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jar
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Message 9 of 111 (280405)
01-20-2006 8:40 PM
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01-20-2006 8:35 PM


I agree. There was no health component involved, rather they were designed for minimizing or ritualizing (providing a monetary or professional outlet) for agression.

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jar
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Message 11 of 111 (280411)
01-20-2006 9:12 PM
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01-20-2006 9:01 PM


Buz,
  • they had nothing to do with health considerations.
  • they will do nothing to minimize the initial exposure to STDs from non-sexual sources.
  • they will do nothing to reduce the incidence or transmission of STDs after marriage.


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jar
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Message 58 of 111 (281099)
01-23-2006 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Buzsaw
01-23-2006 11:01 PM


Still mixing up stuff and making unsupported assertions
First you claim:
GOD'S OBJECTIVE: STDs A RARITY AT THE MAX FOR THE PRESERVATION AND WELL BEING OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD, THE NATION OF ISRAEL REGARDING THEIR SEXUAL CONDUCT.
Im all my years of bible study I've never come across the passages where GOD says he wants to minimize STDs. You are making an assertion here with absolutely no support that I can tell.
3. NO SODOMY, (I.E. HOMOSEXUALITY, AS PER MY DICTIONARY)
Maybe in your dictionary, but as everyone has pointed out to you, homosexuality is NOT a prime vector for transmitting STDs, and any of the practices carry exactly the same risk whether between two people of the same sex or a bisexual encounter.
In addition, you have not addressed the fact that the initial cause in any chain will be infection from a source other than sexual.

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jar
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Message 70 of 111 (281374)
01-24-2006 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Buzsaw
01-24-2006 8:57 PM


Re: Still mixing up stuff and making unsupported assertions
Please point out the passages in the Bible that deal with preventing STDs.
From the stats I read, Aids in the US is about 8 times greater among gay men than among heterosexuals.
What a totally absurd statement. First, let's see your statistics and the sources. Second, what the hell do US stats have to do with your assertion? Are you now trying to change the goal posts again? When that position is shown to be wrong will you change it to some state, or county, or city, or block? What you asked is if abstinence was a medically viable option, not viable for just the US.
If you are really concerned with preventing the incidence of STDs then the Christian thing is to:
  • support universal sex ed in all public and private schools beginning in late grade school and continuing through high school.
  • support the distribution of condoms in the US and world wide.
  • support equal rights for all people in the US, including homosexuals.
  • oppose all Faith Based Health Care restriction.
  • support HPV vaccination for all girls age 12 and older.

Anything less is an complete abrogation of basic Christian principles.

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Message 103 of 111 (282695)
01-30-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
01-30-2006 6:43 PM


Re: Quick Question
Excuse my ignorance..... but does it really say "no sex before marriage" in the bible? And if so, in what context?
As is usual, you can find almost anything you want in the Bible. For the most part, premarital sex is really not a bad thing, except for the woman. In some cases it can be very bad for the chick, but for the guy, just another day.
Exodus 22:16-17
16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.
Note, this is the same requirement as if the guy borrowed an animal and it got hurt or killed while the owner is not present.
14 "If a man borrows an animal from his neighbor and it is injured or dies while the owner is not present, he must make restitution.
In Deuteronomy 22 they get into some of the what ifs.
13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.
22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death”the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
30 A man is not to marry his father's wife; he must not dishonor his father's bed.
So you have to be careful where you boff the virgins. But note, if the girl is not a virgin, then all bets are off. Just make sure she is not yet under contract. Bopping someone elses virgin is an insult to the owner.
This message has been edited by jar, 01-30-2006 06:14 PM

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