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Author Topic:   What we must accept if we accept evolution
robinrohan
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Message 61 of 318 (280666)
01-22-2006 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by mark24
01-21-2006 11:12 AM


Re: oh must i?
So he is a liar, then?
The God I don't believe in, Mark, doesn't exist. If you don't exist, you can't lie.

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robinrohan
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Message 62 of 318 (280669)
01-22-2006 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Brad McFall
01-21-2006 6:01 PM


Re: which ISM??
I used to have an innocent answer- GRAVITY WAVES
What's a gravity wave? I never heard of it.

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robinrohan
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Message 63 of 318 (280670)
01-22-2006 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
01-21-2006 11:13 AM


Is that correct?
Correct. They must accept it logically. Emotionally, of course, they might not accept it.

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robinrohan
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Message 64 of 318 (280672)
01-22-2006 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by nwr
01-21-2006 6:20 PM


Re: What is robin on about?
But couldn't one believe in an incorporeal God, but not in an incorporeal soul?
I suppose so. There's no reason for such a belief, however.
The origin of religion is our feeling of incorporeality about ourselves.

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Modulous
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Message 65 of 318 (280673)
01-22-2006 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by joshua221
01-21-2006 9:57 PM


Germ theory rejects the 'evil spirit' hypothesis
Could you explain ?
Germ theory supercedes the supernatural explanation that God made you ill, the devil made you sick, or evil spirits possessed your body. Germ theory rejects the supernatural explanation.
To paraphrase robinrohan:
quote:
My view would be that Germ Theory logically excludes the supernatural, or at any rate it excludes the idea of God in the conventional sense.

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jar
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Message 66 of 318 (280674)
01-22-2006 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by robinrohan
01-22-2006 9:46 AM


Correct. They must accept it logically.
Well, that's pretty much just an unsupported assertion on your part it seems. So if I could show you some logical reasons that a Christian might support the TOE, would that falsify your assertion?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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PaulK
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Message 67 of 318 (280675)
01-22-2006 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by robinrohan
01-22-2006 9:13 AM


YEC's can only attribute the deaths of humans to justice. The suffering and death of the many, many animals that were killed cannot be attributed to justice.c

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robinrohan
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Message 68 of 318 (280676)
01-22-2006 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Modulous
01-21-2006 11:27 AM


Re: Disagreed
My point is that upon learning that somebody accepts that the Theory of Evolution is useful explanatory framework for explaining why populations change (ie they accept the ToE), can you make the deduction that they do not believe in slavic house spirits?
My point is that you have not shown how such a deduction is possible. Your logic does not follow. This is why I said 'non sequitur'. Does that clarify things for you?
It doesn't really clarify things for me. I'm talking about logical necessities. It is logically necessary that if you accept TOE, you do not accept incorporeality as a possibility. People have many illogical beliefs.

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nwr
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Message 69 of 318 (280677)
01-22-2006 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by robinrohan
01-22-2006 9:21 AM


Re: ONLY scientific results as "true"
Evolution tells us that human life came about accidentally. Therefore, our lives are ultimately meaningless.
You are presupposing that there is such a thing as ultimate meaning.

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robinrohan
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Message 70 of 318 (280678)
01-22-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by jar
01-22-2006 9:50 AM


So if I could show you some logical reasons that a Christian might support the TOE, would that falsify your assertion?
Yes it would.

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robinrohan
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Message 71 of 318 (280679)
01-22-2006 10:01 AM
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01-22-2006 9:58 AM


Re: ONLY scientific results as "true"
You are presupposing that there is such a thing as ultimate meaning.
If there were a God, there might be ultimate meaning. But assuming there is no God, all we have is meaninglessness.

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robinrohan
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Message 72 of 318 (280681)
01-22-2006 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by PaulK
01-22-2006 9:51 AM


YEC's can only attribute the deaths of humans to justice. The suffering and death of the many, many animals that were killed cannot be attributed to justice
That may be, but I'm not arguing the YEC position, so it doesn't matter if their view makes sense as far as my position is concerned.
I was just telling you what I believe the YEC'S THINK.
My position is nihilistic.

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jar
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Message 73 of 318 (280683)
01-22-2006 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by robinrohan
01-22-2006 9:59 AM


Do you agree that the evidence from fossils, geology, biology, the various different species found on the earth today, genetics and experimental science show that evolution happened?
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 318 (280685)
01-22-2006 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Modulous
01-22-2006 9:49 AM


Re: Germ theory rejects the 'evil spirit' hypothesis
My view would be that Germ Theory logically excludes the supernatural, or at any rate it excludes the idea of God in the conventional sense
I don't think that follows. The germ theory does not logically exclude "mind." It has nothing to do with the origins of human life or the purpose of life as does evolution.

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robinrohan
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Message 75 of 318 (280686)
01-22-2006 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by jar
01-22-2006 10:05 AM


Do you agree that the evidence from fossils, geology, biology, the various different species found on the earth today, genetics and experimental science show that evolution happened?
Yes, definitely.

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