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Author Topic:   What we must accept if we accept evolution
kjsimons
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Message 193 of 318 (281774)
01-26-2006 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by robinrohan
01-26-2006 1:56 PM


Re: one more baby step.
The problem you are having is you are thinking in a binary fashion, no mind vs mind, when you should be thinking in terms of gradations, the degree to which something has a mind.
Insects probably don't have what you would consider a mind, nor would many other forms of life. But what about cuttle fish, octopi, mice, cats, dogs, dolphins, monkeys, apes, and humans. Which have minds and which don't or to what degree do they have it? It appears to me most of the animals I've listed have minds. In fact it would appear that the more developed an animal's brain is the more developed their minds are. Seems minds are coporeal in the sense that they are a property of brain development.

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kjsimons
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Message 196 of 318 (281782)
01-26-2006 3:27 PM
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01-26-2006 2:57 PM


Re: one more baby step.
RR still seems to hold that the mind is incorporeal.
I guess I was thinking of gradations from primitive nervous systems to conscious brains. Life began and then started to get more organized. Nervous systems developed, got more complex and brains developed, then the brain got even more developed and some animals now have consciousness (not just humans). It's been a long and many stepped path and I would not know where to put my finger and say here is where the mind/consciousness came into existence, but it has.

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kjsimons
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Message 198 of 318 (281785)
01-26-2006 3:42 PM
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01-26-2006 3:36 PM


Re: one more baby step.
That's what I thought you meant, but there had to be a beginning of it somewhere along that line whether anyone knows where it was or not.
This is the way all but the simplest features in living things came about, gradations from point A to point B, but nowhere along the line could you point and say here is where the change happened.

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kjsimons
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Message 200 of 318 (281790)
01-26-2006 4:06 PM
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01-26-2006 3:50 PM


Re: one more baby step.
But the point where mind happened is crucial because it is a different order of things than the biological processes that supposedly brought it about
This is the crux of the issue. I and probably many others here, don't see the mind (whatever it is) this way. I see the mind/consciousness as an attribute of a very developed brain and therefore corporeal.
Yes it did, it exists, but it couldn't have by the processes of evolution
Why not?

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