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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 278 of 302 (282221)
01-28-2006 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by crashfrog
01-28-2006 4:44 PM


Re: Plargiarism Charge
crashfrog writes:
You have not been accused of plagarism, and this attempt and distraction and diversion is both reprehensible and futile.
I've reveiwed the links here and here's what I've observed:
1. Herepton did answer your question, whether you liked the answer or not. Perhaps you could have presented your response to his answer in a less inflamitory manner so as not to have kindled this fire.
2. One coming upon the your charge that this was a cut and paste non answer might easily see it as implying a charge of plagarism since this can be a legitimate complaint when in fact someone else's work is being copied.
3. It has been implied by some comments of others that whether the quote is Herepton's is questionable, i.e. from one of Herepton's mystery papers. I assume Herepton is claiming it as his own. If that is the case, he should be given the benefit of the doubt until proven wrong.
4. Both Herepton and some of his counterparts here should use less inflamitory words in discussing this matter. To quote Solomon, "A soft answer turns away wrath."

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 281 of 302 (282244)
01-28-2006 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by randman
01-28-2006 3:18 AM


Re: nosey's attack
Randman writes:
I say, and justly so.
Rev, respond to the facts presented or shut the heck up.
What's wrong with that?
Hi Randman. Imo, we of the ideological minority viewpoint and as ones who tend toward Biblical fundamentals need especially to work towards gentleness and kindness in our posting conduct. Meekness is not weakness, but goes a long ways towards keeping the peace and defusing hostility. If anyone should spearhead this attitude, it should be us. I'm working at it and respectfully advise you to diligently work towards a less inflamitory approach as well.
Whether or not you see NosyNed as showing bias, imo, you have no beef here. You need to save the beef for something more substantial. You're a valuable asset to the minority viewpoint at EvC! Pay close heed to suggestions, admonitions and advice of admins so as to afford yourself a lasting and pleasant experience here and to continue to bless the board with your knowledge relative to the minority views which we share.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 282 of 302 (282248)
01-28-2006 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by crashfrog
01-28-2006 6:42 PM


Re: Plargiarism Charge
crashfrog writes:
Not in any meaninful way. Maybe you and I have two different ideas of what it means to answer a question, .....
We all have our own evaluation of how substantial an answer is. My point is that you did get an answer which was substantially more than, "Two o'trout, hand me a piano." You need to be reasonable, Crash, and work a little harder towards reconcilliation yourself.
crashfrog writes:
I'm content to address other members in the manner that they address me. This is my well-known mode of operation.
No. That's not how the Forum Guidelines work. Someone else's conduct is no justification for mine or yours. Someone needs to defuse hostility before it flares. If we all work at that, we'll all be blessed for it.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 284 of 302 (282262)
01-28-2006 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by crashfrog
01-28-2006 7:28 PM


Re: Plargiarism Charge
crashfrog writes:
I'm sorry, but I simply couldn't make heads or tails of Ray's response to me. If you believe that his response was substantial, then perhaps you'd like to drop into that thread and explain it to little ol' me.
I didn't say it was substantial enough to suit you. I said it was an answer which was more substantial than "Two o'trout, hand me a piano."
Ray's answer:
Herepton writes:
Because genuine non-Darwinian macroevolution is a fact within kinds.
These large populations have never been breached. Darwinists come along and assert their macro must be true based upon whatever degree of micro occurring within the kind.
What is your evidence (other than an atheistic need) as to how the barrier is breached ? Answer: the entirely assumed and made up god called Random Mutation.
Here are some macro-kinds: mankind, birds, quadrupeds, and reptiles.
1. Perhaps your response could be to offer your evidence for breaching of the barrier in small populations so as to state your answer to Herepton's question and to attempt a refute to his implication that macroevolution is non-existent.
2. Herepton's third paragraph should have been stated in a less inflamitory manner.
crashfrog writes:
Let me rephrase; short of violations of the guidelines, I'm content to respond in kind. It's generally the only way people understand; by tailoring your responses to their unique perspective.
Fine. I have no problem with that. The more we all work at keeping the peace the happier we all are.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-28-2006 11:01 PM

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 287 of 302 (282319)
01-29-2006 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by crashfrog
01-29-2006 1:07 PM


Re: Plargiarism Charge
crashfrog writes:
Buz, if you can make heads or tails of these sentences, which are completely devoid of meaning to me - I literally can't understand what Ray is trying to say, here - then like I said, I'd appreciate it if you wanted to drop into the discussion and explain it to me.
Me, Buzsaw, explain science to you, Crashfrog? I'm flattered!
Better yet, why not you and Herepton dialogue into the specifics of what either of you don't understand in a congenial manner and work at resolving your problem of communication amongst yourselves in the thread? Anyhow, I'll keep an eye on the thread and if I see where I might be able to contribute I'll add my 2cents worth.
crashfrog writes:
...... I have appreciated your moderation on this issue. Very even-handed.
Thanks very much, CF, for those kind and encouraging remarks. Glad to help out. I'll work hard at maintaining evenhandedness.
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