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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You think right.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Many of us have doubts about our salvation. Falling into sin certainly produces doubts. But there's nothing humble about such doubts This is off-topic, but just one more point. So when the Puritan Calvinist Anne Bradstreet writes, "I could not read my evidence,"this is not humility in the good sense, but rather Despair, which is a sin. Would that be a correct orthodox statement?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Probably but I have to be careful about that. She had no cause for doubt, as one in sin has. I'd have to think about it more.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
For someone so intelligent as you are, Crashfrog, you have to be the biggest fool I ever met in my life. I don't understand why this is so personal for you. Can you explain why you're completely unable to approach this discussion with any detachment?
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Many of us have doubts about our salvation. Falling into sin certainly produces doubts. I'll second that. I think it is because a believer has come to see sin stripped of the self-justification and excuses which serve to dull and have come to agree with God about just how horrific it truly is. It's a little equivilent to little boys playing war games "BANG - your dead" (non-believer) and seeing the true horror of war with your own eyes (believer). When a sinner see's how appalling their behaviour truly is then it is natural to doubt that they deserve anything but eternal punishment for what they do / have done. Only to wonder in awe at the love of a God who could/would bother to find a way out. Cocksuredness is highly unlikely unless one has lost sight of what they are before God
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I don't understand why this is so personal for you. Can you explain why you're completely unable to approach this discussion with any detachment? You are wrong, Crashfrog. I was just kidding around with you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
'Course there is this little problem with sin that it has a way of dulling you spiritually so you start rationalizing it away
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
'Course there is this little problem with sin that it has a way of dulling you spiritually so you start rationalizing it away For a further discourse on this subject see http://www.ianospostsat Pay special attention to the "its not arrogance and conceit - I'm defending my faith" ones...
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not getting anything Ian. But I'm trying to learn how to be in Chat and on the board at the same time and keep booting myself off the internet and driving jar and Asgara nuts. Na, they're patient. But that may be why I can't get it.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Faith: Would you stop using up all the posts on this thread with your chitchat with Iano?
Crashfrog: Actually I admire your concise and knowledgeable posts. But you can be mighty harsh with people, so you have to expect a little of it back sometimes. Joke. A tease. Parsomnium and I tease each other all the time. Now, it's true, sometimes one is not quite sure if it registered as a tease or not-- one has to be a little careful with that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
THAT is on topic?
abe: Sorry, I'll be good. No more post wasting. This message has been edited by Faith, 01-29-2006 01:55 PM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
THAT is on topic? Very funny--and yet another post used up. As soon as I think of another comment to make--an ON-TOPIC comment--I will edit this post.
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babelfish Inactive Member |
quote: It is? How in the world did evolution do all that? I mean, isn't it vitally important that you exist now because of evolution not only because of where you came from, but where you and your descendents are going. Doesn't that make your life more significant? Doesn't that place vital importance upon you being here now? You are the result of an extensive and ancient gene pool and it is important that you add your own to it.
quote: But, doesn't religion show us that our lives here lack little if any importance at all compared to the kingdom of heaven? I mean really, all that is expected of us is to accept Jesus Christ as our savior and behave ourselves according to a set of rather arbitrary rules. So long as we do that, we will have eternal life, right? That's it...believe and behave. We don't have to do anything else in this existence. Nothing. We don't even really have to behave so long as we ask for his forgiveness when we misbehave. We don't have to help others... GOD says it would be nice, but we don't really have to. We don't have to discover or create. We don't have to heal the sick... that's his job. We don't have to explore. We don't have to expand our knowledge of things nor do we have to teach what we have learned to others... that is, anything outside of what the bible teaches. Art, music, literature, invention, exploration... all meaningless compared to what awaits us in the afterlife. To use your analogy, at birth we can lie their on the ground like a snail, commit no sins, (how could we commit sin if we behave like snails), and just believe in the almighty and be granted his most valued gift. Seems like a pretty insignificant existence to me. Luckily there are people who chose to evolve beyond such notions. - Babelfish
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
"I feel so special and superior and chosen because I am a Born Again christian, so I'm going to go to Heaven no matter what and all of these other heathens who aren't born again are going to burn in Hell." quote: That depends upon the interpretation of the Bible you choose to use, though, doesn't it? Since there's no "correct" interpretation, the above statment is just as valid as your, or another Christian's view that it is blasphemous.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's one of many interpretations. Since there's no such thing as a "correct" interpretation of the Bible, all interpretations are equally valid.
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