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Faith 
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Message 256 of 318 (282305)
01-29-2006 12:35 PM
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01-29-2006 12:34 PM


Re: Just a little theory
You think right.

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robinrohan
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Message 257 of 318 (282307)
01-29-2006 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Faith
01-29-2006 12:31 PM


Re: Just a little theory
Many of us have doubts about our salvation. Falling into sin certainly produces doubts. But there's nothing humble about such doubts
This is off-topic, but just one more point. So when the Puritan Calvinist Anne Bradstreet writes, "I could not read my evidence,"
this is not humility in the good sense, but rather Despair, which is a sin. Would that be a correct orthodox statement?

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Faith 
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Message 258 of 318 (282308)
01-29-2006 12:56 PM
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01-29-2006 12:49 PM


Re: Just a little theory
Probably but I have to be careful about that. She had no cause for doubt, as one in sin has. I'd have to think about it more.

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crashfrog
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Message 259 of 318 (282309)
01-29-2006 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by robinrohan
01-28-2006 11:03 PM


Re: Just a little theory
For someone so intelligent as you are, Crashfrog, you have to be the biggest fool I ever met in my life.
I don't understand why this is so personal for you. Can you explain why you're completely unable to approach this discussion with any detachment?

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iano
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Message 260 of 318 (282310)
01-29-2006 1:01 PM
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01-29-2006 12:31 PM


Re: Just a little theory
Many of us have doubts about our salvation. Falling into sin certainly produces doubts.
I'll second that. I think it is because a believer has come to see sin stripped of the self-justification and excuses which serve to dull and have come to agree with God about just how horrific it truly is.
It's a little equivilent to little boys playing war games "BANG - your dead" (non-believer) and seeing the true horror of war with your own eyes (believer). When a sinner see's how appalling their behaviour truly is then it is natural to doubt that they deserve anything but eternal punishment for what they do / have done.
Only to wonder in awe at the love of a God who could/would bother to find a way out.
Cocksuredness is highly unlikely unless one has lost sight of what they are before God

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robinrohan
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Message 261 of 318 (282311)
01-29-2006 1:01 PM
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01-29-2006 12:58 PM


Re: Just a little theory
I don't understand why this is so personal for you. Can you explain why you're completely unable to approach this discussion with any detachment?
You are wrong, Crashfrog. I was just kidding around with you.

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Faith 
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Message 262 of 318 (282313)
01-29-2006 1:10 PM
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01-29-2006 1:01 PM


Re: Just a little theory
'Course there is this little problem with sin that it has a way of dulling you spiritually so you start rationalizing it away

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iano
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Message 263 of 318 (282314)
01-29-2006 1:18 PM
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01-29-2006 1:10 PM


Re: Just a little theory
'Course there is this little problem with sin that it has a way of dulling you spiritually so you start rationalizing it away
For a further discourse on this subject see
http://www.ianospostsat
Pay special attention to the "its not arrogance and conceit - I'm defending my faith" ones...

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Faith 
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Message 264 of 318 (282316)
01-29-2006 1:27 PM
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01-29-2006 1:18 PM


Re: Just a little theory
Not getting anything Ian. But I'm trying to learn how to be in Chat and on the board at the same time and keep booting myself off the internet and driving jar and Asgara nuts. Na, they're patient. But that may be why I can't get it.

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Message 265 of 318 (282317)
01-29-2006 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Faith
01-29-2006 1:27 PM


Get back on topic!
Faith: Would you stop using up all the posts on this thread with your chitchat with Iano?
Crashfrog: Actually I admire your concise and knowledgeable posts. But you can be mighty harsh with people, so you have to expect a little of it back sometimes. Joke. A tease. Parsomnium and I tease each other all the time. Now, it's true, sometimes one is not quite sure if it registered as a tease or not-- one has to be a little careful with that.

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Faith 
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Message 266 of 318 (282318)
01-29-2006 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by robinrohan
01-29-2006 1:32 PM


Re: Get back on topic!
THAT is on topic?
abe:
Sorry, I'll be good. No more post wasting.
This message has been edited by Faith, 01-29-2006 01:55 PM

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robinrohan
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Message 267 of 318 (282320)
01-29-2006 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Faith
01-29-2006 1:35 PM


Re: Get back on topic!
THAT is on topic?
Very funny--and yet another post used up. As soon as I think of another comment to make--an ON-TOPIC comment--I will edit this post.

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babelfish
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Message 268 of 318 (282327)
01-29-2006 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by robinrohan
01-29-2006 11:54 AM


Re: Just a little theory
quote:
Now it is true that evolution tells us that we are no more significant than a snail.
It is? How in the world did evolution do all that? I mean, isn't it vitally important that you exist now because of evolution not only because of where you came from, but where you and your descendents are going. Doesn't that make your life more significant? Doesn't that place vital importance upon you being here now? You are the result of an extensive and ancient gene pool and it is important that you add your own to it.
quote:
What we do or don't do matters not in the least in the long run, in the objective run. It is of no more importance than any other natural event.
But, doesn't religion show us that our lives here lack little if any importance at all compared to the kingdom of heaven? I mean really, all that is expected of us is to accept Jesus Christ as our savior and behave ourselves according to a set of rather arbitrary rules. So long as we do that, we will have eternal life, right?
That's it...believe and behave. We don't have to do anything else in this existence. Nothing. We don't even really have to behave so long as we ask for his forgiveness when we misbehave. We don't have to help others... GOD says it would be nice, but we don't really have to. We don't have to discover or create. We don't have to heal the sick... that's his job. We don't have to explore. We don't have to expand our knowledge of things nor do we have to teach what we have learned to others... that is, anything outside of what the bible teaches. Art, music, literature, invention, exploration... all meaningless compared to what awaits us in the afterlife.
To use your analogy, at birth we can lie their on the ground like a snail, commit no sins, (how could we commit sin if we behave like snails), and just believe in the almighty and be granted his most valued gift.
Seems like a pretty insignificant existence to me. Luckily there are people who chose to evolve beyond such notions.
- Babelfish

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nator
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Message 269 of 318 (282336)
01-29-2006 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by robinrohan
01-29-2006 12:17 PM


Re: Just a little theory
"I feel so special and superior and chosen because I am a Born Again christian, so I'm going to go to Heaven no matter what and all of these other heathens who aren't born again are going to burn in Hell."
quote:
In my view, if I were a believer, that would be blasphemy.
That depends upon the interpretation of the Bible you choose to use, though, doesn't it?
Since there's no "correct" interpretation, the above statment is just as valid as your, or another Christian's view that it is blasphemous.

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nator
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Message 270 of 318 (282337)
01-29-2006 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Faith
01-29-2006 12:24 PM


Re: Just a little theory
quote:
A major tenet of the faith is that it is GIVEN to us for NO merit of our own.
That's one of many interpretations.
Since there's no such thing as a "correct" interpretation of the Bible, all interpretations are equally valid.

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