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Author Topic:   George Bush protecting your civil liberties by breaking them
SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 147 of 220 (282673)
01-30-2006 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by crashfrog
01-30-2006 5:38 PM


Wrong action by Bush
If getting a warrant was truly a problem then why has Bush not proposed legislation to fix this problem in the 5 years since 9-11. If the law was a problem CHANGE IT... don't BREAK IT.
He seems to have plenty of time to propose laws to fight evils like gay marriage and stem cell research.....
If the law was a problem he should have changed it. Bush is either lazy or a liar... My guess is both

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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From: Bartlett, IL, USA
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Message 163 of 220 (283213)
02-01-2006 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Tal
02-01-2006 1:28 PM


Re: Like I asked you before
So basically what you are saying is that the president now has war-time powers forever and the constitution is suspended.
You can not win a war on terror and declare the end to hostilities. So either the constituion is permenanently suspended or we aren't really at war.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 178 of 220 (283306)
02-01-2006 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Tal
02-01-2006 3:44 PM


We are not at War
I've been giving this a lot of thought and there is no way can be in a state of war.
War exists when it is declared on another nation-state. The state of war ceases to exist when either we accept the surrender of said nation-state (Japan) or defeat the government of said nation-state (Iraq).
A war on terror is not a war anymore than a war on crime or a war on drugs.
When does a war on terror end? Can it end? For this reason it is absolutely unacceptable for the president to think he has war-time powers.... Allowing the president to do this allows the president to declar war on "anything" and violate the constitution all he wants.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 204 of 220 (283535)
02-02-2006 7:50 PM


If you give up Liberty you are a Coward
Part of living is a free country is ACCEPTING the responsbilities and risks that come from having a free society.
In my opinion, anyone that wants to surrender any of their fundamental rights because they fear terrorists is a coward. Remember the words of Benjamin Franklin
He who surrenders liberty for security deserves neither
I'm really disappointed at how cowardly many Americans are. I know that 9/11 was a horrific incident... but worse things have happened before and will happen again. Force and authoritarianism do not win conflicts like this.... Ideals do. You can not beat the enemy by becoming the enemy.
Everytime we surrender freedom we lose another battle against the terrorists.
Part of living in the Uniited States is accepting the responsibilities and risks that come with freedom.
It scares that people don't realize what is happening. The terrorists NEVER have to attack again to beat us. They have already TRICKED this country into surrendering it's own freedom buy preying on the cowardice of our citizens. Al-Queda can make empty threats and laugh as we surrender freedom after freedom.
It's a very, very sad thing that is happening.... I hope that there are more brave Americans out there that will stand up for our way of life.

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