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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
So, we've pretty much established that the Theory of Evolution doesn't demand atheism, an evil creator, a weak creator, or anything of the sort; that is, unless we hold the concept of a "Fall" to be illogical (but we don't, do we?). The ToE and Faith's interpretation of the Bible are mutually exclusive, but we all knew that. On the other hand, Jar's interpretation doesn't rule out evolution. Which interpretation is correct is another topic altogether.
Since the ToE allows for all kinds of gods, it clearly doesn't demand either materialism or nihilism. Now for determinism:"We evolved from simple organisms over billions of years, we share a common ancestor with amoebas and sheep, but the omnipotent creator has decided to endow all Homo sapiens with souls upon conception." What's illogical with that? Maybe I'm missing something; it's easy to do that when you're playing Devil's advocate.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The existance of suffering and death is incompatiable with 'The Good God" anyway. That has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I already did. Consciousness evolved. So basically your entire argument is based on the idea that Consciousness evolved. What if the physical brain to house consciousness evolved, but the 'self' was specially created by a creator deity in order to drive the physical brain and give it free will?
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AdminWounded Inactive Member |
The rhyming and scansion on that last couplet are dubious.
I know there aren't any forum guidelines on the specific use of poetic forms, but there should be. Just a warning this time. TTFN, AW
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
The rhyming and scansion on that last couplet are dubious. I believe the term of art is "post-Fall couplet"--half-rhymes and extra feet. *shudders*
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Death was not part of God's creation. It is part of the ToE, in fact essential to it, it is driven by death.
This message has been edited by Faith, 01-31-2006 09:37 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Any God that starts with a simple life and after much death develops man is not the God described in the Bible as far as Faith is concerned. Man came before death according to Faith. And according to the Bible too. This is the SIMPLEST possible point I'm making that everybody is refusing to recognize. Why don't you all fight with Robin when he says it? Does he say it that much more neatly? Maybe so.
Death and suffering are intrinsic to evolution. Death and suffering are alien to a good God, the God the Bible describes. To accept evolution we must accept either atheism or an evil or incompetent God. This message has been edited by Faith, 01-31-2006 09:48 AM
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Well Faith, death and suffering happen in this universe.
Supposedly, your god made this universe. So your god made death and suffering happen, so your god is an evil or incompetent god. No fair blaming Adam and Eve for eating the apple. Your god set them up for a fall, so he is ultimately responsible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you want to believe that, fine, that is your God, not mine. Mine is a good God and mine is incompatible with the ToE. Yours has no problem with the ToE.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I believe some Indian tribes consider perfection to be a challenge to the gods. Humility requires bad rhymes and scansion.
This message has been edited by Faith, 01-31-2006 10:36 AM
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps part of our "evolution" as a species is that we have been given the wisdom to change our selfish (and survival) behaviors and, even though it goes against human comfort, to develop an altruistic nature! I mean, if God exists and is an evil or indifferent God, how would we even have a desire to attain good and be noble, selfless, and altruistic ourselves?
1) We are evolving to a better understanding.....AND/OR 2) We have been "given" a specific amount of time to apply the understanding that we were given
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Faith writes: Death and suffering are intrinsic to evolution. Death and suffering are alien to a good God, the God the Bible describes. To accept evolution we must accept either atheism or an evil or incompetent God. Here's another version:
So if you want to avoid having to choose either atheism or an evil or incompetent God, you must deny the reality of life in the twenty-first century. Either that, or you could try to convince me that death and suffering are not intrinsic to life in the twenty-first century.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith, your god brought death and misery upon his creation, it says so in your bible. Nevermind why he did it, but he did. You say evolution is incompatible with your god because the process involves death and suffering, but then your book says god created death and suffering. Seems your view of god is incompatible with your bible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Death and suffering came with sin. That's not God's doing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This thread is not about bible interpretations. My God is incompatible with evolution no matter which other versions are compatible. You can't tell me what I believe.
This message has been edited by Faith, 01-31-2006 10:38 AM
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