Fundamentalists (of all stripes) at it again (Re: Textbook Wars: Religion in History)

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No more than liberals spew towards conservatives

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Exactly who are you referring to, on which networks, on which shows, at what times? And do you have some quotes, some examples of what these people are saying?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-25-2006 07:54 PM

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I suppose I could quote some liberals here at EVC, but that might start a nasty fight.

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I'm sorry. Perhaps I wasn't clear, or perhaps I misunderstood what you said.You made a factual claim in response to crashfrog's statement:

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No more than liberals spew towards conservatives

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...to which I replied: See, to me is seems very much as though you were saying that there were liberals on television and radio programs in equal numbers, spewing similar kinds and amounts of hateful rhetoric that Savage, O'Reilly, and Hannity do on their programs.I am not familiar with such liberal programming, especially in TV, and so I was asking you to provide some names, networks, times that they are on, and perhaps some quotes to compare to those of the right-wingers already mentioned.Because without these examples, it would seem that your claim that right-wingers and liberals do just about the same amount of hate-spewing on television and radio would be completely without any basis in fact.So, I would ask that you please support your factual assertion with evidence, as rule #4 of the forum rules requires, or withdraw the claim.

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I think it's fairly clear that there are areas in our soceity more dominated by secularists and liberals, and that 2 of those areas are the media/entertainment industry and academia.

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So, academics, the most highly-educated people in our society, who have been exposed to many different ways of thinking about many subjects, tend to be liberal.We also know that people who have less or little education, and who have not been exposed to many different ways of thinking about things and who have lived in insular environments where their thinking is not challenged, tend to be conservative.Hmmmm...This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-26-2006 08:21 AM

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I truly hope we teach our kids the horrors done that you have listed, although maybe the rail and trolley thing is not a horror per se,

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...a direct consequence of which is our dependence upon foreign oil which has influenced many administrations to make alliances with unsavory and dictatorial regimes such as those of the Taliban, the House of Saud, and Saddam Hussein.

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and at the same time, I hope we equally teach them of the increble butchery we have encouraged and allowed of our own children resting and growing in the womb.

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...and of the barbaric time in our history where women's bodies were considered not to be owned by themselves, but by the state.

Buzsaw, I certainly had my doubts about you as a moderator, but I am quite impressed.I think you're doing a fine job in this thread.

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You seem to be having trouble finding apples to compare with other apples. You keep saying that the religious groups described in the article are just doing the same thing secularist groups have been doing for years, but you haven't been able to provide an example of a secular group doing any such thing.

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*sigh*Why should randman waste his time, Percy?Can't you google?

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Randman claims that secular groups have been doing for years what these religious groups are doing now, which is trying to get their particular historical viewpoints represented in textbooks by bypassing scholarship and instead lobbying publishers and school boards. I can't even guess which secular groups or efforts Randman is referring to, so if you can help then please google away!

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Sorry Percy.When I wrote: ,I was repeating what randman has said to me in one form or another when he and I get to the place in a given debate where I ask him to support his assertions and he doesn't think he needs to.In fact, he at that point demands that I do his research for him.I was just recognizing that this is the place that you and he have reached in your discussion and was just inserting randman's predictable next step.

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It secularizes history, censoring out the religious events pertaining to history. This, in turn secularizes young immature minds, influencing some to become somewhat religiously phobic and ignorant of the religious aspects of history.

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I took several university-level history courses while earning my liberal arts Bachelor's, buz, and we talked about religion quite a bit. We talked about Buddhism and Hinduism in one of my favorite courses which had a very dry title, "Non-Western Civilization.I wrote a really large paper on the Great Schism in the Catholic Church for an independent study in History during my semester abroad.My husband (Zhimbo) also took a course titled "The Life and Teachings of Jesus" as part of his liberal arts education at Oberlin College. He says it was one of his very favorite classes.So, buz, I don't think you really have any idea of what you are talking about.

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Imo, historically, the Vatican has the most to loose here. Their bloody role in history has been obscured for many decades, including when I was in school. I say it's time for accountability where it belongs.

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Yeah, and the Protesants were all soft and cuddly by comparison.When they had the power, buz, they were just as bad.Remember the "witches"? Remember the lovely smallpox-infected blankets they gave to the American Indians? Remember slavery? Remember the KKK and the Christian militia and white supremacicts? Remember Timothy McVeigh?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-08-2006 08:40 AM