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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
As far as I can see, all you've showed is that a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account is incompatible with evolution. Not many would dispute that. Thats not even true. A literal interpretation of Genesis does not necessarily lead to concepts such as The Fall (at least the way YECs describe it) or no death before sin. These are ad-hoc reasonings that that only YECs add on to a literal interpretation of Genesis. The only thing Faith has shown is that her ad-hoc additions to Genesis which produce a character of God who is by definition incompatable with evolution is actually incompatable with evolution. Her entire argument is one big long winded tautology. No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You're drunk. On the contrary, I'm dangerously sober.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But you can believe in something very similar to the Fall, right? I.e. free will introducing suffering into the Universe, against the creator's wishes. I'm talking about a Fall that includes the fall of Nature, caused by sin.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
robinrohan writes: You don't seem to know what the topic is, Jar. Let me explain it to you. The topic (part of it) is as follows: I am contending that if you believe in evolution, you cannot believe in God. Yes robin, I fully understand that is your assertion... and it has been refuted! You say it is impossible to believe, I say look, here are people that do believe. That refutes your assertion. There is no way around it unless you show the same willfull ignorance as the YECs. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That has been traditional Christianity, the religion of the West, until the last 150 years or so, when Liberal Christianity came along, which is what those 10000 on jar's list represent -- including Deism, which is basically an earlier form of Liberal Christianity. It is not a matter of liberal Christianity Faith, it is a matter of FACT. It is not possible to believe a literal Genesis unless you deny GOD's creation. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You say it is impossible to believe, I say look, here are people that do believe. That refutes your assertion. No, it doesn't. 1. physical possibility: it is physically possible for me to believe that God is a tomato in my garden patch.2. logical possibility: the belief in evolution and your God at the same time is logically impossible.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Robin
Is this an accurate quote of what you said?
robinrohan writes: You don't seem to know what the topic is, Jar. Let me explain it to you. The topic (part of it) is as follows: I am contending that if you believe in evolution, you cannot believe in God. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It's jerked out of context.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is it what you said?
That is a yes or no question. But I will also try refute your assertion that it is logigically impossible to believe in GOD, and also accept the TOE. It's a subject that I've addressed here at EvC numerous times but repetition is often good. First, any belief in a supernatural being is basically an irrational, unprovable action. It is an act of Faith and not Science. Would you agree with that? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Creationist: Didn't Darwin say:
quote: Evo: Its jerked out of context Creationist: But is it an accurate quote of what he said?
jar writes: Is this an accurate quote of what you said? The answer is yes, but it is a mined quote. The very next sentence at least should be added, if not the rest of the paragraph:
rr writes:
By God I mean all-good, all-powerful God, which I believe is your standard Western version of God. When I say one cannot believe in God and evolution at the same time, I mean logically you can not. Of course, you can believe emotionally or irrationally anything you damned well please, and so can anyone else.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In my reply to robin I am trying to address his additional concerns.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
There are 3 possible positions
1) The existence of death and suffering can be reconciled with the existence of the sort of God you are discussing. 2) The existence of death and suffering cannot be reconciled with this sort of God. 3) The existence of death and suffering can only be reconciled with this sort of God only if evolution is rejected. You are a fine logician, Paulk. More later.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
First, any belief in a supernatural being is basically an irrational, unprovable action. It is an act of Faith and not Science. Would you agree with that? I thought people believed in God because they thought they had a good reason to do so.
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I thought people believed in God because they thought they had a good reason to do so. I imagine that do think they have a good reason for their belief. What does that have to do with what I asked?
jar writes: First, any belief in a supernatural being is basically an irrational, unprovable action. It is an act of Faith and not Science. Would you agree with that? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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