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Tal
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Message 171 of 220 (283225)
02-01-2006 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Omnivorous
02-01-2006 3:50 PM


Re: Is there anybody in there?
This is just partisanship, right? You DO know that many Republicans object? Either they are also treasonous lefties OR the enitre charge is bogus.
The entire charge is bogus.
The issue is not wiretapping Al Qaeda calls, and the issue is not even wiretapping American citizens who might be talking to Al Qaeda--the issue is warrantless wiretaps of Americans.
Wiretapping Americans who are talking to known or suspected members of Al Qeada.
This message has been edited by Tal, 02-01-2006 03:55 PM

The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5702 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 190 of 220 (283438)
02-02-2006 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
02-01-2006 9:47 PM


Re: We are not at War
I've been giving this a lot of thought and there is no way can be in a state of war.
We are at war. The military is on a war-time footing. It was authorized by Congress.
September 14th Resolution:
107th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. J. RES. 23
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.
Authorizing the use of the Armed Forces sounds like war.
Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and
Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and
Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and
Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and
An unusual and extrardinary threat is posed to national security...check.
Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it
President has authority under the Constitution...check.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.
SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
Here is the money quote. Congress authorized the President to use all necessary and appopriate force against those NATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS, or PERSONS HE DETERMINES....
Now for those of who quit reading at "terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept 11," read further: or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent future acts of terrorism...
(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
Passed the Senate September 14, 2001.
And there is the War Powers resolution.
We are at war.
This message has been edited by Tal, 02-02-2006 01:12 PM

The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5702 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 194 of 220 (283476)
02-02-2006 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by arachnophilia
02-02-2006 2:25 PM


Re: We are not at War
yeah, no, this is what a declaration of war looks like:
Show me in the constitution where it outlines what a declaration of war should look like.

The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5702 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 195 of 220 (283478)
02-02-2006 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Omnivorous
02-02-2006 2:51 PM


Re: We are not at War
So the illegal wiretapping was okay
It is legal. You are assuming it is not.

The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?

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