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arachnophilia
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Message 173 of 204 (271582)
12-21-2005 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Christian
12-21-2005 5:27 PM


Re: Pelycodus ...Horse ...Elephant?
I still have the book. I didn't have to check it out of the library since my husband already had a copy.
oh, that's handy. he just happened to have one laying around?
It has some stuff about horse evolution. I need to look at it again. Been kind of out of it lately with being sick and then getting ready for Christmas.
i know the feeling. i've been out spending all my money on other people.
I'm looking at it now, it has that same picture that you posted, or something very similar, with the horses hooves.
does it have more than four items? i know the book i checked out bird evolution had an entire series of dino-to-bird hips that spanned several million years and at least 7 distinct genuses of dinos, as well as modern birds. even that's leaving a lot out, but you it gives the general picture.
quote:
Early work suggested that horses constituted a single assemblage that progressed relatively steadily from the small sized Hyracotherium (Eohippus), with low-crowned teeth and four toes on the front feet and three on the rear, to the modern genus Equus, which has high-crowned teeth and whose manus and pes are reduced to a single toe. Subsequent research has demonstrated a much more complex radiation, with many divergent lineages of browsers and grazers overlapping one another in time.
well, that's kind of the old debate point. people expect evolution to go in a straight line, for whatever reason. it doesn't. it branches, sometimes into very, very complex cladograms. not all variations and species survive. had we all the evidence (realistically impossible) we could easily trace the exact route of horse lineage. realistically, we end up comparing species and noting commonalities, extrapolating how recent each is to their common ancestor.
thus the term "missing link." it's like we were to have me, and my uncle, but not my grandfather. we could figure out that my grandfather existed, even without him specifically.

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Message 174 of 204 (271583)
12-21-2005 9:43 PM
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12-21-2005 5:31 PM


Re: hoof arted.
Maybe I'll check the library.
if it's a reasonable college library it should have a section of vertebrate paleontology. that'd be a good section to browse in general. (bio too, i'm just a childhood paleonut.)

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Message 186 of 204 (283719)
02-03-2006 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by DrJones*
02-03-2006 6:46 PM


what aig has to say about horse rib counts
Common mistake, thinking that evolution demands a "forward" progression ie: animals get bigger/stronger. There is nothing in evolutionary theory that would demand that the rib count increases or stays constant.
well, that's not actually even the issue. and i'll quote this from a creationist source lest some claim i'm making it up:
quote:
Modern horses can have 17, 18 or 19 pairs of ribs.
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis
neartest i can tell, i am not quoting out of context, either. they seem to be arguing that transitional horses fall within the acceptable variation within a "kind," and there has been a bit of a trend towards fewer toes and larger bodies.
why this isn't "evolution" (the variation of heritable features in a population from one generation to the next) i have no idea.


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