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Message 34 of 79 (282525)
01-30-2006 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coragyps
01-29-2006 10:16 PM


totally bogus quiz
Very misleading....for example, the idea of separation of Church and State did not originate with France or the US. It is a very old term, popularized by the Anabaptists.

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Message 36 of 79 (282527)
01-30-2006 9:39 AM
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01-30-2006 9:35 AM


Re: Secular v Religious v Xian
Crash, the idea and term, separation of Church and State, actually was used as far back as the Donatists in the 4th century.
It was a major rallying cry of the Anabaptists, and the Quakers were perhaps one of the first people to codify it into law in Pennsylvania as well as the Baptists in Rhode Island. The idea that the term came from non-religious people, or secularists, is just wrong. Moreover, by the time of the Constitution, Protestantism as a whole had been moving towards Anabaptist theology in this area.

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Message 41 of 79 (282556)
01-30-2006 11:58 AM
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01-30-2006 10:13 AM


Re: Secular v Religious v Xian
Catholics?...you seem to be missing the origin of the term.

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Message 70 of 79 (284220)
02-05-2006 6:00 PM
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02-02-2006 10:40 AM


Re: Secular v Religious v Xian
Not really sure what you are referring to. My point is that the idea of separation of Church and State is a decidedly anti-Catholic idea.

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Message 71 of 79 (284221)
02-05-2006 6:04 PM
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01-31-2006 5:09 AM


Re: Secular v Religious v Xian
Holmes, we have 2 definitions of "secularists". I don't use the word as you suggest because I think most people understand it to mean something akin to the government being secular, which is wrong. The government is not suppossed to be "secular" or non-secular. If anything, it should to being pro-religion in general, but non-coercive and non-sectarian.
I think people use the claim of "secular" to propose secularism as the official religion/ideology, and so a secular hero, for example, can have a statue or something secular in a courthouse or public grounds, but anything connected to religion is suspect. Imo, that's wrong, and that's not what the Anabaptists, Baptists and others were talking about when they advocated separation of Church and State.

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Message 72 of 79 (284222)
02-05-2006 6:06 PM
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02-01-2006 1:03 PM


Re: Bunch of crap
By the way, churches do not need a 501C3 determination but are automatically exempt, period.

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Message 73 of 79 (284223)
02-05-2006 6:07 PM
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02-02-2006 10:42 AM


Re: Secular v Religious v Xian
Brenna, can you show where the Puritans talked of freedom of religion as a principle?

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