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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 1 of 14 (27585)
12-21-2002 6:49 AM


John Nash's theory I'm guessing sums up to the idea that doing the good of the group ends up being in the best interest of the individual. Jesus teaches us to serve others always first. To not think of ourselves but of the greater good of our fellow man.

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John
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Message 2 of 14 (27593)
12-21-2002 10:31 AM
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12-21-2002 6:49 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
John Nash's theory I'm guessing sums up to the idea that doing the good of the group ends up being in the best interest of the individual. Jesus teaches us to serve others always first. To not think of ourselves but of the greater good of our fellow man.


And? Every society I can think of functions on the same principle. It is nothing special to christianity.

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robinrohan
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Message 3 of 14 (27798)
12-24-2002 4:05 PM
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12-21-2002 10:31 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
John Nash's theory I'm guessing sums up to the idea that doing the good of the group ends up being in the best interest of the individual. Jesus teaches us to serve others always first. To not think of ourselves but of the greater good of our fellow man.


And? Every society I can think of functions on the same principle. It is nothing special to christianity.


John, I had no idea you believed in universal morality.


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forgiven
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Message 4 of 14 (27801)
12-24-2002 4:41 PM
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12-24-2002 4:05 PM


Originally posted by robinrohan:
John, I had no idea you believed in universal morality.

sitting back, awaiting john's reply with interest


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John
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Message 5 of 14 (28132)
12-30-2002 4:19 PM
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12-24-2002 4:41 PM


quote:
Originally posted by forgiven:
Originally posted by robinrohan:
John, I had no idea you believed in universal morality.

sitting back, awaiting john's reply with interest


Sorry to have kept you waiting. I have been out of town visiting my mother, and I caught a cold on the way. I've been severely lacking in time and energy.

robinrohan's conclusion that I believe in a universal morality just strikes me as odd.

Humans must survive in a hostile world like any other animal. Humans survive best in groups. Certain behaviors keep the groups together and help the groups survive. This is practical, not moral or metaphysical, as the phrase 'universal morality' implies.

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robinrohan
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Message 6 of 14 (28140)
12-30-2002 6:08 PM
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12-30-2002 4:19 PM


John, see my post #50 under "How do you know the truth."
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 7 of 14 (28142)
12-30-2002 6:21 PM
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12-30-2002 4:19 PM


Humans must survive in a hostile world like any other animal. Humans survive best in groups. Certain behaviors keep the groups together and help the groups survive. This is practical, not moral or metaphysical, as the phrase 'universal morality' implies.

Unfortunately we're not surviving, rather dying faster and faster, despite advances in science, technology, and medicine. We destroy our planet and ourselves faster and faster. I think most animals are doing better than we are.

Maybe if we stopped acting like animals, caring only for ourselves or our immediate group, we might fare a little better?

Maybe if our personal actions were not selfish, and we made attempts to base our actions on what would be the best for humanity we could fare a little better?

I read a book where a guy taught that.

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[This message has been edited by funkmasterfreaky, 12-30-2002]


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John
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Message 8 of 14 (28155)
12-30-2002 10:27 PM
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12-30-2002 6:21 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Unfortunately we're not surviving, rather dying faster and faster, despite advances in science, technology, and medicine.

Really? Is that why the human population is growing faster than ever?

quote:
We destroy our planet and ourselves faster and faster. I think most animals are doing better than we are.

That's funny, funk. You state that we are destroying the planet -- meaning, I take, life on the planet since we haven't made a dent in the big round rock itself -- and in the next breath say all that life we are destroying is doing better than we are. I wonder if you pay attention to yourself.

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Maybe if we stopped acting like animals, caring only for ourselves or our immediate group, we might fare a little better?

From your post #1:

John Nash's theory I'm guessing sums up to the idea that doing the good of the group ends up being in the best interest of the individual. Jesus teaches us to serve others always first. To not think of ourselves but of the greater good of our fellow man.

Are you not contradicting yourself? Sure seems like that to me.

It might also serve you to note that I am not disagreeing with this statement but merely pointing out that it isn't special to Christianity. Societies work on some incarnation of this principle. It is practical.

Now, however, you wish to turn 180 degrees. Why? Are you so rabidly dogmatic that you can't stand to have me agree?

quote:
Maybe if our personal actions were not selfish, and we made attempts to base our actions on what would be the best for humanity we could fare a little better?

The survival of the species does likely depend upon our expanding the concept of one's group to the larger group of the global population. If you look around you you'll notice that religions tend to be divisive. This is the opposite of what is needed, so I'd think again about your position.

quote:
I read a book where a guy taught that.

I'm not surprised. Every civilization that has left a record has left a book extolling these things. Anthropology will serve to show the same for illiterate cultures. Maybe you should try reading outside your KJV.

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John
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Message 9 of 14 (28156)
12-30-2002 10:34 PM
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12-30-2002 6:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by robinrohan:
John, see my post #50 under "How do you know the truth."

Maybe you can explain how this is relevant?

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 10 of 14 (28158)
12-30-2002 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by John
12-30-2002 10:27 PM


You must be feeling better.

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doctrbill
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Message 11 of 14 (28159)
12-30-2002 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by funkmasterfreaky
12-30-2002 6:21 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
... I think most animals are doing better than we are.
Maybe if we stopped acting like animals, caring only for ourselves or our immediate group, we might fare a little better?

I agree with pretty much everything else you said in that post but I must take issue with this bit.

If "animals are doing better than we are," then why would we want to stop acting like them?

Besides, if we are the crown of creation then who's to say they aren't acting like us? Anyway, animals do care for more than themselves and their immediate group, although, like us, they may need a bit of time and peaceful circumstance in order to feel compassion for individuals of a different species.

db


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John
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Message 12 of 14 (28162)
12-30-2002 11:04 PM
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12-30-2002 10:40 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
You must be feeling better.


Yes... a little. Gonna curl up with a bottle of Nyquil later though.

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 13 of 14 (28174)
12-31-2002 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by doctrbill
12-30-2002 10:43 PM


Yeah sorry I tried to put too many words into that post when i was already done with my point. I ended up really screwing it up.

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Primordial Egg
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Message 14 of 14 (28501)
01-06-2003 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by funkmasterfreaky
12-21-2002 6:49 AM


This seems to be the best place to post this...

There's an article in the UK popular press (The Guardian) about the fact that the holy oil Jesus used to anoint himself with had cannabis as one of its main (and active) ingredients.

Cannabis oil can be absorbed through the skin producing the same sensations as when its smoked. If true, the article argues, it explains how Jesus was able to heal by touch (a skin disease which appears like leprosy, pruritis, can be treated by cannabis oil as it has anti-bacterial properties). There are reports from epilepsy sufferers and those with dystonia about the beneficial effects of marijuana on their' condition as well - could this be the casting out of demons??

Exodus 30:23-25 KJV:

23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels,

24 And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an him.

25 And thou shall make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be holy anointing oil

Calumus is apparently a mistranslation - it should be "kaneh-bosm", meaning cannabis. This was (I think) established by Sula Menet, a Polish etymologist in 1936.

I don't know how seriously the above is taken, I've seen one trite refutation on a Xian website asserting that the word "calumus" means "cane", but does anyone who has a better knowledge than me of biblical etymology here (shouldn't be difficult) have a view on this?

PE


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