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Christian
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Message 176 of 204 (275839)
01-04-2006 5:30 PM


won't be here much for awhile
I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm not going to spend as much time here as I was (haven't been on lately because of Christmas and a different schedule than usual). I've decided that I want to read through the Bible since I've never actually read through it. I think the best way to do that is to set aside time each day. I was using "rest time" as my computer time. But I think that now it will be my Bible reading time. We'll see how it goes. Maybe I'll still be on once a week, maybe Thursdays, but not tomorrow. Anyway, this doesn't mean that I've stopped researching material about evolution. I'm still reading "Ancient Earth, Ancient Skies" and the paleontology book. I'm also reading "What Evolution Is" by Ernst Mayr and "The Origen of Species" by Darwin himself. Of course there are many others as well (some by creationist Authors and some about other things entirely) so I'm not going through any of them very quickly. If anyone comes up with other books they think will be helpful to me, please let me know, because I will be checking in peroidically. Thanks, Happy New Year.

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Christian
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Message 179 of 204 (276485)
01-06-2006 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Coragyps
01-04-2006 9:19 PM


Re: won't be here much for awhile
I just clicked reply and then realized how completely off-topic we are with this. Anyway Thanks, but I think I'll read all of it. So far I've written down about 15 pages of questions. I'm not going to worry about the answers yet.

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Christian
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Message 180 of 204 (283703)
02-03-2006 6:43 PM


horse evolution
Here's something someone said about horse evolution on another forum. I, of course, loved it. But I am smart enough to know you people probably have a rebuttal so here's what was said:
Textbooks have been lying to our children for years. Trust me, I have fought this battle many times.
They tell children modern horse came from a four toed horse(Silver Burder, Earth Science 1987 pg 361).
What they don't tell kids is the original horse, the eohippus has 18 pairs of
ribs, the mesohippus has 15 pairs of ribs, mirohippus has 19 pairs of ribs, modern horse is back to 18. (Prentis Hall Life Science 1991, page 500.) Going up and down with the rib count? Come on. thats not evolution.
Here is the problem with the horse evolution:
1. Made up by Othniel C. Marsh in 1874 from animal fossils he picked up scattered across the world, not from the same location. (He arranged them in the order he thought it happened)
2. Modern horses are found in layers with and lower than anciect horses.
3. The "ancient horse" is not a horse at all, it's a hyrax still alive in South America today. Ribs toes and teeth are different.
The Tulsa Zoo took out their horse evolution display because of it's inaccuracies.
So I'd like to hear your comments on that. Also, I'm still looking for more detailed information on horse evolution,if anyone knows of any sources. Thanks.

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Christian
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Message 191 of 204 (284744)
02-07-2006 7:34 PM


Looks like I should get a copy of the book Chiroptera mentioned. Maybe I'll find it at the library.

  
Christian
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Message 192 of 204 (285036)
02-08-2006 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by DrJones*
02-03-2006 6:46 PM


Re: horse evolution
Common mistake, thinking that evolution demands a "forward" progression ie: animals get bigger/stronger. There is nothing in evolutionary theory that would demand that the rib count increases or stays constant.
Ok but if you have a horse with 18 pairs of ribs, it makes sense that one might evolve from it which has 19 or 17, but 15? How likely is that. And then for another one to evolve from the one with 15 which has 19? Seems like the rib count would either go up or down, not back and forth in great leaps like that.

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Christian
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Message 193 of 204 (285040)
02-08-2006 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Chiroptera
02-03-2006 6:55 PM


Re: horse evolution
This may very well be false.
It may be. I still am not sure what I think of Kent Hovind. Turns out that he was the guy's source. I already said this but next time I'm at the library I'm going to try to get my hands on a copy of that book by McFadden.

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Christian
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Message 197 of 204 (285057)
02-08-2006 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by nator
02-03-2006 7:04 PM


Re: horse evolution
Humans evolved from primates which had tails, and we now have a dinky little tailbone that is fused.
But I don't think that humans evolved from primates with tails either.
Why is finding fossils all over the world a problem?
It would be more of a case if the fossils were found in the same place, in different layers. When they're found all over the world, it's hard to know, for sure which ones are really older.
Cite?
I have no idea where the info came from if that's what you mean.

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