Declaration of Arbroath

Point one. No where does it claim they were related to the Hebrews.The last sentence is simply dating. Let's parse it... The section deliminated by commas is dating when the action took place. The sentence when parsed reads, "Thence they came to their home in the west where they still live today. They came there twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea.No connection other than a dating.Greater Scythia does not refer to the Hebrews. In fact, the Scythians were not even a semitic peoples. The area was what would be called Azerbijan and the people were Indo-Europeans, closer to those of Iran than to those of Palistine.The route mentioned is pretty reasonable, since the Tyrrhenian Sea would be the northern part of the med and the most reasonable sea route from their ancestral home in Persia to Spain.So Ray, there is nothing in your post that even hints at support for your assertions. But it gets worse.You provided a link. And your link itself calls the history part of it "laughable fiction". Your very own source goes on to say... And that's pretty much all you have Ray, nonsensical history.

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Ray, the record is here. And you OP has been completely refuted. Your posts have only proven that you cannot even read your own sources.No where in the Declaration is there any claims that the Scots were descended from Hebrews. And if Scotty said that Scythians = Hebrews, well, that only shows once again he didn't have a clue what he was talking about.

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Roman's 1 says that we will come to know GOD from what we learn in the world, by studying Evolution.But back on topic.The thread is here as a record Ray. Everyone can read it. In case they missed it here it is again. see Message 6Now Ray, where in there does it say that they are claiming descent from Hebrews?

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They came from Scythia. That is above the Black sea, in what today would be Azerbijan. The Scythians were Indo-Euopeans, totally unrelated to the semitic peoples. The traveled by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea. That is the Northern part of the Med. The came to Spain where they stayed a long time.Ray, there is no connection at all to the Hebrews or Palestine.Parse the next statement. I have explained this to you before, but will gladly repeat it here.The sentence has two parts, where they traveled after leaving Spain... and when they traveled... The readers will decide who has supported their position.This message has been edited by jar, 02-07-2006 09:37 PM

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I did provide evidence. I went through the claim step by step serveral times. What more evidence is needed, that I show that Spain is where it is, that I show the Tyrrhenian Sea is where it is, that I show that Scythia is above the Black Sea?The facts are that the Declaration makes no claims that the Scots were Hebrews or one of the Lost Tribes.The very fact that this was written to the Pope would preclude any such claim. This document was made only 30 years after the Edict of Expulsion when Edward I ordered all Jews out of the Isles. From 1290 until the 1650s there is no record of Jews anywhere in the Isles except in the Domus Conversorum which was a building and ghetto for Jews who converted to Christianity.If the Scots wanted help and support from the Pope, claiming they were one of the Lost Tribes of Israel whould be an act of stupidity. It would be far more likely to bring an expidition to wipe them out that any hope of support.

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Trust me, Edward I did not care whether they were Northern Tribe or Southern Tribe. Nor did the Pope.So far you have provided no support for your assertion in the OP.

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the claim in the OP.If you read what was written in the Declaration, there is no mention that the authors considered themselves Hebrews.

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Which proves that they are not the Scythians. The first Assyrian mention of the Scythians is that they came from the North not from the south, and that they came as conquerors, not as a subjugated transplanted peoples. from here.

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There has been a lot of news recently as well as research on the Scythians, including a recent treasure find that was astounding. Over the last 50 years or so we've learned a lot about the Scythians, and it certainly seems they were an Indo-European group that likely migrated from China or India into the area North of the Black Sea.No where though is there any indication of a connection between the Lost Tribes and the Scythians.But again, that has nothing to do with the OP.No where in the Declaration is there any indication that the Scots believed they were descended from one of the Lost Tribes.AbE: Link to the entry on the Scythians from the Hermitage Museum.This message has been edited by jar, 02-10-2006 01:38 PM

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The claim is that the Declaration in the OP says that the Scots asserted that they were descendants of a Lost Tribe.Anything else is OT clyde.

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The subject is the Declaration in the OP. Where is the assertion that the Scots thought they were descendants of a Lost Tribe?

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I have pointed to documentation of who the Scythians were. You may not accept those but so what? Here is yet another reference.There is nothing in the OP that shows that the Scots considered the Scythians to be one of the Lost Tribes.There is nothing in the Declaration in the OP that says the Scots thought they were descended from one of the Lost Tribes.Every reference I've provided says that the Scythians lived in the Black Sea region BEFORE the Assyrians carted off the Hebrews.What's your point?

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