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Trixie
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Message 5 of 90 (284754)
02-07-2006 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
02-07-2006 7:18 PM


What is the Declaration of Arbroath?
The Declaration of Arbroath is a letter to Pope John XXII from a number Scottish nobles. It was written as a means of persuading the Pope that Scotland was an independent state and was written in response to the excommunication of Scotland and Scots from the Roman catholic Church. As such it contains much political spin and pleas based on claims that would find sympathy with the Pope.
As to your assertion
The Scots are claiming to be ancestors of scattered 10 tribe Israel.
I have a few minor quibbles.
Firstly, the Scots are not claiming to be the lost tribes of Israel -the declaration was written in 1320, so the most you could say about the declaration is that this was what the Scots were saying, however, nowhere does it say that the Scots didconsider themselves to be the lost tribes of Israel. It mentions the Exodus because it may have inclined the Pope to look more favourably on their plea and it's only there to provide an idea of when they claim it took place.
The declaration claims that they were descended from those who exited Greater Scythia and makes no claims on being the lost tribes of Israel.

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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3728 days)
Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 13 of 90 (284786)
02-07-2006 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Cold Foreign Object
02-07-2006 8:34 PM


Re: What is the Declaration of Arbroath?
So far, you're the only one who is able to see this in the text. Funny that.
Also, if you want to quote me, include the full quote, rather than distorting my words, it's bad form. You quote me as saying
the declaration was written in 1320, so the most you could say about the declaration is that this was what the Scots were saying
What I said was
the declaration was written in 1320, so the most you could say about the declaration is that this was what the Scots were saying, however, nowhere does it say that the Scots didconsider themselves to be the lost tribes of Israel.
You will notice that the completed quote points out that they are, in fact, not claiming this. Do not attribute to me opinions which are diametrically opposed to the position I have actually stated most clearly.
You say
You seem to be asserting the text does not mean what it says.
Actually I'm saying that the text says what it says. It doesn't say what you imagine it to say.
you say
This is a modern Darwinian need as is seen in their handling of the Bible.
Totally irrelevant repetition of your usual ad hominem.
You say
The text/evidence claims ancestry from Hebrews.
The text doesn't say this one little bit and anyone else reading the text can see that. Therefore the text itself is evidence that you're wrong. What doesn't help you is your own source, as jar pointed out.

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Trixie
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Message 72 of 90 (285701)
02-10-2006 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Cold Foreign Object
02-10-2006 5:28 PM


By that reasoning.....
.....you have created a piece of evidence for the Scots being the Hebrews. You say
"Old Iberians" = Iberia/Ibrew/Hebrew.
I would change that and add two letters
"Old Iberians" = Iberia/Ibrew/IRNbrew/Hebrew.
Gosh, Irnbrew, sounds like IrnBru, the favourite tipple of the Scots. Therefore the Scots must be Hebrews! Wow! ROFLMAO

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