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Omnivorous
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Message 31 of 113 (284239)
02-05-2006 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by randman
02-05-2006 5:56 PM


Re: How reliable are the Scientific papers?
I can believe it. When it comes to evolution, there is no objectivity, nor integrity, in the evo community as far as I can tell.
Hi, rand--glad to see you back.
However, in just two sentences, you have said it all.
You can believe a tissue-thin (which is to say, transparent) load of...stuff that confirms your biases without any substantiation whatsoever.
At the same time, you can slander millions of people you know nothing about, whose conduct you have never observed, without compunction--on the grounds of integrity, of all things!
The irony is priceless.

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Message 94 of 113 (285900)
02-11-2006 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by inkorrekt
02-11-2006 7:06 PM


Reagan started our long slide down to mediocrity.
My research grants were cutoff at a time when President Reagan was in office. In way what he did was right. The mediocre work costs the tax payer a lot. I was hurt by his actions. But, it was good for hte country.
Reagan began the process of transforming the U.S. from the scientific powerhouse of the world into a second-rate has-been. How was the attack he started--and his neo-con descendants have continued--on funding for basic science good for this country?
Our school children fall further and further behind other nations in their math and science skills every year.
The only thing that made sense about the Reagan years was learning about the brain rot that explained them.
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Omnivorous
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Message 96 of 113 (285916)
02-11-2006 10:33 PM
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02-11-2006 10:11 PM


Re: Reagan started our long slide down to mediocrity.
I don't care about maintaining the U.S. as an imperial world power. I'm sorry if I gave that impression, Ifen, though I'm not sure how criticsm of the Great Militarist himself could have done that.
I care a great deal about advances in science that cure and enhance our understanding, not those that kill.
The abandonment of basic scientific research will not soon hasten the end of the American Empire. The technology we require to maintain military dominance does not require large investments in basic science, and I am confident the weapons labs have no dearth of budget.
Sadly, I don't think the American Empire will accept its sunset as gracefully as the British Empire has (and even that is arguable, given its current yoking to Bush's ass).
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Message 102 of 113 (285990)
02-12-2006 4:48 PM
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02-12-2006 3:01 PM


Re: Reagan started our long slide down to mediocrity.
inkorrekt writes:
It is argued that there is shortage of money for Schools. In my state, we gave them 1-2% increase in budget every year. This has put our budget in perpetual hole. Still they want more.
In that case, you have not even kept up with the rate of inflation. With a 1-2% increase every year, your education budget has been steadily declining.
What Reagan did was to reform the upper end of the spectrum. Scchols>>Colleges>>Universities>>Research labs. He did not touch the schools.
Reagan came to office promising to eliminate the Department of Education. He abandoned that dingbat idea, but he began two trends: a reduction in federal funding for education accompanied by an empty rhetoric of reform, and a combination of increased military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy.
Reagan reached office by pretending to be a champion of the middle class; he initiated a decline in real income for the middle class that continues today. Reagan couldn't even keep his movie roles and life experiences separate in his own mind, let alone administer a large and complex nation.
Why our students fail? Yes we do not EDUCATE them. We give them papers to those who do not qualify. We have converted our Schools into social engineering labortories. We do not promote competition at all as it would diminish Self Esteem. Psychology dominates. Students are taught Multiculturalism, Sexuality, and even witchcraft and much more of non academics. The important subjects like History, English , Maths and Science are at the bottom. Even Science teaching is flawed. Instead of encouraging them to apply CRITICAL THINKING to every aspect of their studies, they are only allowed to accept some theories as FACTS and not even question them.
Hogwash. Our schools are overcrowded and underfunded, in large part because of the concentration of greater and greater wealth in fewer and fewer hands--hands that do not work in the schools' communities. School systems typically depend almost entirely on local property taxes--taxes paid by working people who struggle to make ends meet on two incomes where one used to suffice. Schools indeed have to spend too much time on social and psychological issues, because the social ills created by a oligarchy turn them into warehouses for the dispossessed.
They are not even given other options in the absence of any evidence to prove their FAITH.
Everyone is free every minute of every day to prove their faith. Forcing their views on their peers, or forcing the public to house and finance their religious organizing, doesn't prove their faith. If they want to prove their faith, let them go out to tend the ill and feed the poor.
If this is how we teach Science, no wonder they are not doing well.Here is another example of our Social engineering Laboratories contribution to the well being of our society. A student cannot even get Aspirin without Parent's approval. However, a Pregnant Teen age girl can get an ABORTION without her parent's knowledge. These can only happen in this most sophisticated and Advanced country Like the USA.
Aspirin can be fatal to some children, and dangerous to others; it can induce Reyes' syndrome or provoke internal bleeding. Do you think schools should be free--or compelled--to dispense over-the-counter medications to any student who requests them? That makes no sense to me at all.
As to minors obtaining abortions without parental notification, let me point out that this option is generally only available by a judge's order, often when the minor has shown good reason to fear the consequences of parental notification, and sometimes because a parent or other family member is responsible for the pregnancy. At any rate, what does abortion policy have to do with schools?
The ancient Romans were proud of their great civilization. They were warned about the consequences of immorality. They ignored. This great civilization became history. Will America go through the same?
The Romans were never moral in any modern sense; they were aggressive thugs. Their empire fell for many reasons, but I don't think their sexual mores had anything to do with it. An increasing reliance on mercenary soldiers, their increasingly abusive and inefficient oligarchy, an increasingly inflexible caste system--even their lead- lined wine vessels--are better causal candidates for collapse than their orgies.
Yes, we are paying heavily for the blunders committed by the Nuclear Physicist, Jimmy Carter. He gve the nuclear technology to North Korea and they are threatening us.
Nuclear technology is widely available from North Korea's friends, China and Russia among them. Carter attempted to engage North Korea and facilitate peaceful transformation there, including the peaceful use of nuclear power. Bush, on the other hand, used inflammatory rhetoric ("Axis of Evil") and a doctrine of preemptive war to persuade nations that their only safety rests in deterrent nukes of their own. Bush has ignored the North Korean bomb-building efforts in favor of a snipe hunt in Iraq for a nuclear program he knew in advance did not exist.
He also punished our friend, The Shah of Iran. Now, they are going to "NUKE" us.
The U.S. CIA assassinated the elected President of Iran and reinstalled a hated, dictatorial monarch. I don't know why the Iranians weren't more grateful.
The Shah was guilty, among other things, of greed, incompetence, and a regime of oppression that rose to the level of crimes against humanity. We should have handed him back to the Iranians for trial.
Given that the U.S. has declared its right to preemptively invade any nation it pleases, in their place I think I'd want a nuclear deterrent as well.
He also gave away the Panama Canal. He is a friend of our enemy Chavez. We have been invaded by Mexico.
The Panama Canal was only "ours" via an inequitable, perpetual lease forced upon a small country via our military might. Chavez is Bush's enemy, perhaps, but not the American people's. Our economy would collapse without Mexican immigrants to do the grueling labor no one else wants to do at scant wages.
Our life style is being diminished. We are losing all our manufacturing sector to China, India and Mexico.
We cannot compete with these nations in terms of labor-intensive industries. For decades now the U.S. should have been planning to migrate employment to higher-tech, higher value-added manufacturing.
Instead, we give tax breaks to corporations who close their plants here and re-open in other countries, exploiting the workers there, polluting without restraint, and bankrupting the communities they leave behind...the ones who cannot now afford the decent school systems they need to turn the trend around.
I think that brings us full circle.
The U.S. is reaping the disorder sewed by a reactionary, neo-conservatve oligarchy. As Ifen et al. have suggested, the only comfort remaining may well be that the American Empire must, like all things, necessarily run down.

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Message 103 of 113 (285991)
02-12-2006 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by lfen
02-12-2006 3:15 PM


Re: Reagan started our long slide down to mediocrity.
Ifen writes:
I suppose I am consoling myself and offering this consolation to you that as obnoxiously shortsighted as these actions are they are to some extent self limiting. Empire has its own momentum and life cycle and the intoxication of wealth and power is so heady that I don't know of any peoples who have successfully resisted it. So all we can do is record it as we watch it run its course and do our best to behave as well as we can.
Thanks, Ifen. I think we're on the same page.

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