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Karl Rove: Traitor?

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Tal
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Message 212 of 271 (229207)
08-03-2005 1:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 211 by FliesOnly
08-03-2005 10:54 AM

Re: covert and clandestine are not the same
Ok, I see the CIA asked him not to use the name.
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Tal, it is a crime to even verify what the reporter was asking him. If he (Karl Rove) knows that the info he's being asked to verify came from a classified source it's a crime from him to say even "yes" or in some way validate or invalidate the question.
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So why hasn't Rove been indicted?
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Tal
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Message 214 of 271 (229297)
08-03-2005 3:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 213 by FliesOnly
08-03-2005 1:53 PM

Re: covert and clandestine are not the same
Why do you seem to keep defending Karl Rove?
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Because he hasn't been charged with a crime and from I've read, I don't think he commited one in any shape, form, or fashion.
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Karl Rove knowingly released the name of a CIA agent
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No he didn't. He said, "I think his wife works in the CIA." is a long way from saying Valerie Plame is a secret CIA operative and will you please publish her name.
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Maybe I wouldn't let this go so easily if the media wouldn't have made up storiees about flushing Korans down the toilet and the Rathergate fiasco that used forge documents. The left hate the military and especially hate the Bush administration. They have tried to demonize EVERYONE they can in the Bush administration, and none of it has stuck.
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This won't stick either.
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"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their cocaine is delivered to them?"
--Ann Coulter
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Tal
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Message 221 of 271 (256270)
11-02-2005 2:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 217 by FliesOnly
08-04-2005 10:43 AM

Re: covert and clandestine are not the same
Look, Tal, I've said this repeatedly: Ignore the legalities of what Rove did...whether or not he committed a crime is not for you or I to decide...Fitzgerald will make that determination.
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You'll note lottie dotty nobody was charged with outing a CIA agent.
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. How can that be, when here we have a case where a senior member of the White House Staff released information from a classified document that resulted in a CIA opperative being outed, and our President does nothing?
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Evidence? What classified document? What CIA agent was outed?
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But as Crashfrog has already pointed out...that was true.
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Source? It was false, and the report was retracted. If it were true, well we'd see it all over the front page...again.
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The funny thing about that particular situation is that the point of the story got lost, and to this day has not really been addressed.
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Yes, ignore that little item called...forgery.
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Let me put this to rest...again. Geore W. Bush was never reported AWOL. I work at the United States Army Deserter Information Point. I have access to every file going back to the Korean War.
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But don't let facts get in the way of your logic.
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Remeber Tal, it was Kerry the volunteered and actually served in Vietnam, not our current President (or Vice President, or Sect of Defense, or...)
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Or Bill Clinton, or Al Gore...oh they hever even served in the military..thats right.
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Seriously Tal, he has got to be one of the most unethical people currently in politics.
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Nah, it only seems that way because he runs political rings around the democrats. I would put Sandy Burglar and the Clintons a little higher up on the unethical list.
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"Damn. I could build a nuclear bomb, given the fissionable material, but I can't tame my computer." (1VB)Jerome - French Rocket Scientist
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Tal
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Message 223 of 271 (256280)
11-02-2005 2:42 PM 		Reply to: Message 222 by crashfrog
11-02-2005 2:31 PM

Re: covert and clandestine are not the same
1 thing at a time.
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The Deparrtment of Justice's own investigation.
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Here's a Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos on the Koran Flushing story.
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NEW YORK ” Newsweek on Monday retracted a story alleging interrogators at Guantanamo flushed the Koran down a toilet in front of detainees.
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"Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Koran abuse at Guantanamo Bay," editor Mark Whitaker (search) said in statement released Monday evening
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Your source? Link please. You can't just get away with "The Justice Dept."
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"Damn. I could build a nuclear bomb, given the fissionable material, but I can't tame my computer." (1VB)Jerome - French Rocket Scientist
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Tal
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Message 234 of 271 (286220)
02-13-2006 2:58 PM 		Reply to: Message 233 by Peal
02-11-2006 6:30 PM

Re: Hotdiggity! Cheney ordered leak of classified info?!
Randman, if you believe that the release of Plame’s was not a crime, why then would someone as intelligent as Libby, a lawyer, allow himself to be put into a situation where he perjures himself and or obstructs justice?
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No, it was not a crime, or it would be in the charges. Remember, he hasn't purjured himself or obstructed justice until it is proven.
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Tal
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Message 236 of 271 (286230)
02-13-2006 3:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 235 by Omnivorous
02-13-2006 3:11 PM

Re: Hotdiggity! Cheney ordered leak of classified info?!
Interesting logic, Tal.
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It is commonly referred to as innocent until proven guilty.
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You surely don't believe that all crimes turn up in indictments?
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No, I don't believe that.
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The grand jury is still impaneled. The door is still open.
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Keep your fingers crossed, but if I were a betting man I would say that if the prosecution could charge anyone with the leak, they would have done so by now.
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The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas Charter
What's your favorite line?
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Tal
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Message 247 of 271 (287372)
02-16-2006 3:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 243 by Omnivorous
02-14-2006 3:31 PM

Re: Hotdiggity! Cheney ordered leak of classified info?!
As to the Republican dream that Libby will be the only indictment that comes out of this perversion of executive responsibility...
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What perversion was that?
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I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
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Message 251 of 271 (287411)
02-16-2006 5:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 248 by Omnivorous
02-16-2006 4:04 PM

Re: Hotdiggity! Cheney ordered leak of classified info?!
I understand your confusion, Tal--there have been so many!
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But I was referring to the one under discussion in this thread.
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So has anyone been charged with leaking classified info?
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I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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Tal
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Message 253 of 271 (287429)
02-16-2006 6:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 252 by Omnivorous
02-16-2006 6:02 PM

Re: Hotdiggity! Cheney ordered leak of classified info?!
I'll respond for you. The answer is no.
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However, if you have some new info or insight to offer, please do, and I will respond.
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I'd still rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving across a bridge with Ted Kennedy.
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