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Primordial Egg
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Message 2 of 8 (28569)
01-07-2003 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by sarah
01-07-2003 5:24 AM


Looks like He got it wrong with the clay, and the congealed blood.
At the time the Quran was written, the prevailing view was Aristotle's notion that humans originated from the action of semen on female menstrual blood. At no stage does an embryo resemble a blood clot unless it is miscarried, which is probably where the notion arose from.
In fact, this is consistent with (and highly suggestive of) the idea that the Quran was written by human beings using the knowledge of their time, and not by a supernatural omniscient agent (well, certainly not omniscient, anyway). If we assume that the Quran was written by man, then we'd also expect to see similar scientific errors in it which reflect the thinking of the time...
Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring (18:86)
...such as the idea that the sun sets every night in a muddy spring.
PE
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Primordial Egg
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Message 3 of 8 (28571)
01-07-2003 6:50 AM
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01-07-2003 5:24 AM


Just to add, written by the Greek physician Galen 150AD:
"Let us divide the creation of the foetus overall into four periods of time. The first is that in which, as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails ... But when it has been filled with blood and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen. The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts. You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form "twigs", as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches. The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvelous no longer calls the foetus an embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as an animal now fully formed".
[Corpus Medicorum Graecorum: Galeni de Semine (Galen: On Semen) (Greek text with English trans. Phillip de Lacy, Akademic Verlag, 1992) section I:9:1-10 pp. 92-95]
which is very similar to what the Quran says.
Conclusions:
Either:
1) The Quran is the word of a fallible God and a fallible Allah copied his ideas from Galen
2) The Quran is the word of a fallible God and a fallible Allah secretly gave his ideas to Galen 400 years before Islam under strict instructions not to reveal his sources
3) Allah didn't write the Quran, human beings did and incorporated Galen's ideas and passed them off as Allah's.
4) Allah doesn't exist and the whole shebang represents different devolepmental stages in human beings' history and cultural and technological progress.
5) Your translation is incorrect and the Quran actually says whatever it needs to have said in order for it to be regarded as true. Ish.
PE

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Primordial Egg
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Message 7 of 8 (28638)
01-08-2003 3:55 AM
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01-08-2003 2:08 AM


quote:
Really,This Greek physician Galen did he has aMicroscope in 150AD?
How did he see the creation's stages inside the Womb?
Interesting (and revealing) riposte. How would YOU use a microscope to reveal creation's stages inside the womb?
Looking at the rest of your post, I note that you haven't bothered to reply to any of my points, but begun sermonising. Not just that, but its pretty obvious from your last line:
In this book I have considered only established scientific facts and not mere hypotheses and theories that are based on assumptions and are not backed by proof.
..that you've cut and pasted from the back of a book (page 8) (and seemed to pass this off as your own, which I believe breaks the forum guidelines) so I'm not going to waste my energy any further...Come back when you've learnt to think for yourself.
PE

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